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JTM
Breaking right now. It appears that Wrestler Chris Benoit's wife's death was posted on Wikipedia 14 hours before body was found.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=140425583

Story: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html
SirFozzie
And if you look at that IP addresses's OTHER edits, it's pretty obvious that it was just a garden variety vandal who's hoaxish entry sadly proved true.

Foz

(who had to deal with all that shit for a few days)
taiwopanfob
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 5:56pm) *
And if you look at that IP addresses's OTHER edits, it's pretty obvious that it was just a garden variety vandal who's hoaxish entry sadly proved true.


Careful: absent further information, that vandal could have been Benoit. Better exculpatory evidence: the IP address maps to Optimum Online, which serves New York state and surrounding. (Side note: as expected, Wikipedia's corporate biography of Optimum is actually serving more as a venue of customer complaint.)
SirFozzie
absent further information, like the fact that Benoit was in Fayetteville, GA, not Stamford, CT?
taiwopanfob
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:24pm) *

absent further information, like the fact that Benoit was in Fayetteville, GA, not Stamford, CT?


Didn't I basically say that? You may wish to work on your reading comprehension. Are you an administrator at Wikipedia, by any chance?
SirFozzie
QUOTE(taiwopanfob @ Thu 28th June 2007, 2:32pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:24pm) *

absent further information, like the fact that Benoit was in Fayetteville, GA, not Stamford, CT?


Didn't I basically say that? You may wish to work on your reading comprehension. Are you an administrator at Wikipedia, by any chance?


Yes, something I've never hidden btw.

I even have a wiki-abuse page (getting everything out in front so there's no gotchas down the line)

(http://wikiabuse.com/index.php/SirFozzie)
taiwopanfob
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:33pm) *

QUOTE(taiwopanfob @ Thu 28th June 2007, 2:32pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:24pm) *

absent further information, like the fact that Benoit was in Fayetteville, GA, not Stamford, CT?


Didn't I basically say that? You may wish to work on your reading comprehension. Are you an administrator at Wikipedia, by any chance?


Yes, something I've never hidden btw.


I'm afraid to check: does Wikipedia have an article on "rhetorical question"?

(Note: Jon! I understand! At last!)
SirFozzie
heh. My rehetoric scanner didn't budge, guess it needs recalibrating.

Just a bit frustrated. You can call it one of WP's LAndmines, that vandals can cause them this kind of situation. The amount of times someone inserts "XX is dead" for shits and giggles into articles.. sooner or later, yeah, XX is going to actually be dead.

At that point, if I'm remembering the timeline correctly, it was known that Benoit missed the PPV due to "family problems", so some vandal decided to sneak info into the article, and see if anyone bit on it.

(remember, this is the IP who had put into a Ron Artest article about him appearing (Clothed) on the cover of penthouse with three bikini-clad models..

''Shortly after this, Artest was accused of raping one of the bikini-clad models, which he was found guilty of, but was released on bail. He was accused of raping another one of the models after this but he was found not guilty."

You get a bit frustrated when you spend all your time stamping down conspiracy theories only to see them pop up time and time again. I start to understand why the 9/11 TROOTHBRIGADE are so annoying.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 12:44pm) *

heh. My rehetoric scanner didn't budge, guess it needs recalibrating.

Just a bit frustrated. You can call it one of WP's LAndmines, that vandals can cause them this kind of situation. The amount of times someone inserts "XX is dead" for shits and giggles into articles.. sooner or later, yeah, XX is going to actually be dead.

At that point, if I'm remembering the timeline correctly, it was known that Benoit missed the PPV due to "family problems", so some vandal decided to sneak info into the article, and see if anyone bit on it.

(remember, this is the IP who had put into a Ron Artest article about him appearing (Clothed) on the cover of penthouse with three bikini-clad models..

''Shortly after this, Artest was accused of raping one of the bikini-clad models, which he was found guilty of, but was released on bail. He was accused of raping another one of the models after this but he was found not guilty."

You get a bit frustrated when you spend all your time stamping down conspiracy theories only to see them pop up time and time again. I start to understand why the 9/11 TROOTHBRIGADE are so annoying.


Um-mm, well, they are just articles about professional wrestling on Wikipedia. One option is to...you know...not deal with them.
Cedric
Sounds like a case for Nancy Grace.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Cedric @ Thu 28th June 2007, 1:06pm) *

Sounds like a case for Nancy Grace.

She will be all over it like blondes on Fox.
SirFozzie
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 28th June 2007, 2:59pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 12:44pm) *

heh. My rehetoric scanner didn't budge, guess it needs recalibrating.

Just a bit frustrated. You can call it one of WP's LAndmines, that vandals can cause them this kind of situation. The amount of times someone inserts "XX is dead" for shits and giggles into articles.. sooner or later, yeah, XX is going to actually be dead.

At that point, if I'm remembering the timeline correctly, it was known that Benoit missed the PPV due to "family problems", so some vandal decided to sneak info into the article, and see if anyone bit on it.

(remember, this is the IP who had put into a Ron Artest article about him appearing (Clothed) on the cover of penthouse with three bikini-clad models..

''Shortly after this, Artest was accused of raping one of the bikini-clad models, which he was found guilty of, but was released on bail. He was accused of raping another one of the models after this but he was found not guilty."

You get a bit frustrated when you spend all your time stamping down conspiracy theories only to see them pop up time and time again. I start to understand why the 9/11 TROOTHBRIGADE are so annoying.


Um-mm, well, they are just articles about professional wrestling on Wikipedia. One option is to...you know...not deal with them.


Either that or remember the saying that I once heard attributed to Albert Einstein. "We try to make the world more foolproof, and the world tries to make better fools. So far the world is winning".

the fieryangel
Sounds like a case for...Looch.

The problem is, who on earth could have known that Benoit killed his wife before the police did?

The logical response is that Benoit himself made the post.

The problem is that this violates the Original Research Policy.....

(Why are they denying this? What's the hidden agenda here? That's the real question.)


GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Thu 28th June 2007, 2:29pm) *

Sounds like a case for...Looch.

The problem is, who on earth could have known that Benoit killed his wife before the police did?

The logical response is that Benoit himself made the post.

The problem is that this violates the Original Research Policy.....

(Why are they denying this? What's the hidden agenda here? That's the real question.)


Obviously this Wrestler Guy had a meat puppet.
SirFozzie
I find your logic.. puzzling.

So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif
Somey
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 3:33pm) *
So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif

Not only that, the whole idea is completely implausible on its face. Chris Benoit was no fool - he would have known that using an open proxy was clearly against WP policy.
JTM
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:33pm) *

I find your logic.. puzzling.

So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif


I smell an ArbCom case coming.
SirFozzie
QUOTE(JTM @ Thu 28th June 2007, 5:14pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:33pm) *

I find your logic.. puzzling.

So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif


I smell an ArbCom case coming.


Porque?


QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:43pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 3:33pm) *
So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif

Not only that, the whole idea is completely implausible on its face. Chris Benoit was no fool - he would have known that using an open proxy was clearly against WP policy.


(Daffy Duck style)

You're Dithpicable. wink.gif
the fieryangel
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 9:26pm) *

QUOTE(JTM @ Thu 28th June 2007, 5:14pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:33pm) *

I find your logic.. puzzling.

So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif


I smell an ArbCom case coming.


Porque?


QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:43pm) *

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 3:33pm) *
So you're saying that Chris Benoit used an open proxy (or at least a possible open proxy (http://www.robtex.com/rbls/69.120.111.23.html for the output) in Stamford Connecticut from Fayetteville, GA, rather than using his home internet connection to tell the world via Wikipedia that his wife had died, before killing himself hours later. I think you're ascribing too much importance to WP there smile.gif

Not only that, the whole idea is completely implausible on its face. Chris Benoit was no fool - he would have known that using an open proxy was clearly against WP policy.


(Daffy Duck style)

You're Dithpicable. wink.gif


Well, your whole "what an amazing coincidence" schtick is pretty thin....Somebody had to know;...and an open proxy seems pretty logical to me.....
BobbyBombastic
To be fair, this is the first line of the article:

QUOTE
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org


It's been reported that he text messaged some people after he killed his wife, but I'm lead to believe that this is just a coincidence.

Maybe wmf should start a "report a crime" wiki.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Thu 28th June 2007, 3:52pm) *


Maybe wmf should start a "report a crime" wiki.


Likely it would degenerate into a "plan a crime wiki."
Somey
QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:52pm) *
It's been reported that he text messaged some people after he killed his wife, but I'm lead to believe that this is just a coincidence.

Well, that goes without saying! Obviously, this is 2007, and the first thing you're gonna do after murdering your spouse in cold blood is grab the ol' cell phone and start texting everybody you know, if only to ensure that the news makes it into Wikipedia as soon as humanly possible.

The key thing for me is, I must resist the temptation to simply assume that things like this (if true) mean that the entire world has gone completely insane. Rather, it is the person who does things like this who is insane - the world still has a chance, though it may be an extremely slight one at this point.
BobbyBombastic
laugh.gif

Well is this another twist? I haven't seen this brought up...

This information was added twice within 2 hours

Here is the first edit, and this is the first revert.

After that revert, it is added again, crediting several wrestling websites for the information. It is then reverted again. The second IP resolves to Australia.

This is important information for anyone reporting this, isn't it? Or maybe I have the timeline wrong. mellow.gif
FNORD23
Death really brings out the most ghoulish necrophilic Wiki-addicts (now referred to as Wiki-dicks)

Just like with the VT School Shooting, and the death of Anna Nicole, there are now numerous deranged depraved Wiki-Dicks, who likely had never even heard of this man until his obscene death, obsessively editing the article - surely with one browser window open to the the article - another to Google News - hitting reload every 15 seconds (worse than porn) in a virtual competition to see who can enter the latest minutia surrounding this man's and his family's tragic deaths first!

First Wiki-Dick who enters a section on, and a link to the official police report earns a coveted Wiki Barn DEATH Star!
SirFozzie
QUOTE(FNORD23 @ Thu 28th June 2007, 8:13pm) *

Death really brings out the most ghoulish necrophilic Wiki-addicts (now referred to as Wiki-dicks)

Just like with the VT School Shooting, and the death of Anna Nicole, there are now numerous deranged depraved Wiki-Dicks, who likely had never even heard of this man until his obscene death, obsessively editing the article - surely with one browser window open to the the article - another to Google News - hitting reload every 15 seconds (worse than porn) in a virtual competition to see who can enter the latest minutia surrounding this man's and his family's tragic deaths first!

First Wiki-Dick who enters a section on, and a link to the official police report earns a coveted Wiki Barn DEATH Star!


And to think, you conned folks to support you on WP for HOW Long?
Cedric
From ABC News:
QUOTE
The IP address from which the 12:01 a.m. addition was made has been flagged for "vandalizing" other Wikipedia entries in the past, including one about troubled NBA star Ron Artest. The IP user also edited a post earlier this month about WWE wrestler Chavo Guerrero Jr., a close friend of Benoit's and reportedly one of the two recipients of text messages sent by Benoit over the weekend before the bodies were discovered.

In that entry, the IP user stripped an explicit and damaging description from the Guerrero post.

As the article suggests, the IP user did some rather nasty vandalism to the Ron Artest article starting here, but someone using the very same IP removed some rather similar vandalism to the Guerrero article. So much for SirFozzie's "garden variety vandal" argument. Could this get any more weird? I guess the sky's the limit where WP is concerned.
FNORD23
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:14pm) *


And to think, you conned folks to support you on WP for HOW Long?


Conned? What on earth are you talking about? Not ALL Wikipedians are Ghoulish Death-Loving Wiki-dicks, and I never implied such. There are plenty of upstanding editors toiling to make good faith efforts to add to the compendium of human knowledge or whatever they want to call it - but every tragic death draws these sick necrophiliacs out of the woodwork and displays Wiki's (and society's) dark side.

Ugly
Somey
QUOTE(FNORD23 @ Thu 28th June 2007, 8:38pm) *
...every tragic death draws these sick necrophiliacs out of the woodwork and displays Wiki's (and society's) dark side.

To be fair, it isn't just Wikipedia - there's a whole net-based subculture of celebrity death-watchers. There are so many of them, in fact, it must be nearly impossible to effectively stop them on WP without complete article lock-downs.

I mean, look at this, for example. Who's to say that someone, after hearing a rumor on a site like that, didn't decide to invent a little "evidence" for their rumor-assertion(s) in the form of a few choice edits to Wikipedia? After all, Wikipedia is, like, super-reliable, is it not?
FNORD23
QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 28th June 2007, 6:49pm) *

QUOTE(FNORD23 @ Thu 28th June 2007, 8:38pm) *
...every tragic death draws these sick necrophiliacs out of the woodwork and displays Wiki's (and society's) dark side.

To be fair, it isn't just Wikipedia - there's a whole net-based subculture of celebrity death-watchers. There are so many of them, in fact, it must be nearly impossible to effectively stop them on WP without complete article lock-downs.


That IS my suggestion. There are dozens if not hundreds of 'battleground' or troll-magnet articles which should (IMHO) be semi-permanently locked down with edits discussed and agreed to on the talk pages, and disinterested admin 'overseers' editing no more often than weekly.

QUOTE


I mean, look at this, for example. Who's to say that someone, after hearing a rumor on a site like that, didn't decide to invent a little "evidence" for their rumor-assertion(s) in the form of a few choice edits to Wikipedia? After all, Wikipedia is, like, super-reliable, is it not?


That's really sick. They're not all on Wiki, but every death draws them to the dead person's Wiki article like a rotting corpse draws flies.

Locking the article for a week or so and having edits discussed and agreed to on the talk pages would be a major change, but it would be so terrible because....?
GlassBeadGame
I just saw a professional wrestling spokesperson on MSNBC say that any nut can say anything on WP and that viewer should go to the professional wrestling website for reliable information. The info-babe seemed to see no irony in this as she nodded agreement.
SirFozzie
BTW, if you're curious (and you're probably not).. the IP address has popped up on a WikiNews article and apologized, admitted he was adding speculation, etcetera.
Cedric
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 29th June 2007, 10:59am) *

I just saw a professional wrestling spokesperson on MSNBC say that any nut can say anything on WP and that viewer should go to the professional wrestling website for reliable information. The info-babe seemed to see no irony in this as she nodded agreement.

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Fri 29th June 2007, 11:05am)

BTW, if you're curious (and you're probably not).. the IP address has popped up on a WikiNews article and apologized, admitted he was adding speculation, etcetera.

Well, now. Let's take a look at that post to WikiNews:
QUOTE(69.120.111.23 @ Fri 29th June 2007, 04:26am)

I posted the comment we are all talking about and I am here to explain that it was A HUGE COINCIDENCE and nothing more

Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time.

Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I've learned from this experience. I just can't believe what I wrote was actually the case, I've remained stunned and saddened over it.

I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn't know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming.

I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn't go back to edit it out myself.

I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.
[Emphasis supplied]

If this poster is truly the person who made the edit to the Benoit article, then they are likely to be greatly disappointed. The post simply raises more questions than it answers, and is not likely to avert questions from homicide detectives. What "rumors"? From what websites? Posted by whom? And do any of those posters have ties to the WWE and/or Benoit? It would take a fairly blunt-skulled and incurious detective not to ask all of those questions (and more besides), particularly in a case that has quickly attracted such huge international media scrutiny. If anything, the detectives will be more anxious than ever to interview Mr./Ms. '69.120.111.23'.

If, on the the other hand, the poster is trolling, then they have won for themselves a special place in The Great Annals of Internet Trolling©. Look at the language used. So reasonable. So contrite. And so cleverly designed to highten scrutiny. A special award may be in order.

I would also suggest clicking through the diffs: after some IRC chat, Mr./Ms. '69.120.111.23' was requested to do an interview, which they declined. All of that is deleted from the current version of the page.

If the "wiki-concensus" is that this was nothing more than "an awful coincidence", then might I suggest that that is just more "whistling through the graveyard"? Sure, it's quite possible that this is just a freaky coincidence. But at present, given what is known, it is just as likely that something a mite more sinister is involved. Let the homocide detectives do their jobs, and let's reserve judgment pending their findings.
FNORD23
Just curious....... isn't one of the WR members way into 'wrasslin'?. I seem to remember SirFloozy going off on someone who was a 'WWF Troll'.

Maybe WR deserves the 'credit' for the latest Wiki scandal? LOL!
BobbyBombastic
Interesting to me about the message on wikinews is that the IP is dynamic. It could have been someone dumping their IP until they got the IP and did a marvelous troll. It certainly doesn't seem like the same person that did this or this.
Cedric
QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Fri 29th June 2007, 3:01pm) *

Interesting to me about the message on wikinews is that the IP is dynamic. It could have been someone dumping their IP until they got the IP and did a marvelous troll. It certainly doesn't seem like the same person that did this or this.

Exactly!
guy
Or it could be someone at the same address as the person or persons who made the other edits.
GlassBeadGame
It is almost certain that it's random vandalism by a person generally interested in sports, pop culture and professional wrestling, scoring a hit. Also kind of racist. There is a certain pro football player who might be interested in his IRL identity in a tangentially related matter.

Still it does seem prudent to consider it to be someone with guilty knowledge, who now sees that "annon ip" is not completely descriptive, lying to hide the guilty knowledge. Not likely but seems like you'd want to rule it out.
Cedric
--------BREAKING NEWS--------

FROM ABC NEWS

"Police: Wiki Confession an 'Unbelievable Hindrance'"

Anon poster id'd by cops; their computer seized; will make id public early next week. Read story here.
Rootology
Wonder if Optimum Online has pulled that IP from circulation, for now.

QUOTE(Rootology @ Fri 29th June 2007, 4:32pm) *

Wonder if Optimum Online has pulled that IP from circulation, for now.



Or not, it's still pingable.
everyking
I have a hard time believing it's a coincidence. The odds seem ridiculously low. As an active RC patroller for years, I can tell you that this kind of fake death vandalism is just not as common as some people would have you believe; it's not rare, but I'd classify it as occasional. Most such vandalism, moreover, will consist of someone changing the intro to add a death date, or adding a blatantly absurd cause of death which may or may not involve some sort of sexual misadventure. Someone adding death vandalism that actually fits in the context of the article and makes logical sense is much more unusual.

One thing I'm wondering about: in the history of that article prior to that day, had anyone ever claimed she was dead before? If so, then it would be somewhat more plausible to claim it's a coincidence. More likely, in my view, is that Benoit himself mentioned her death (probably saying it was natural or accidental) in one of those calls he made that weekend, and the news started to spread in some circles. Additionally, note that the vandalism occurred near the end of the timeframe (14 hours left); of course, if the news did get out, then people would be more likely to know about it at a late point in the timeframe. It would be somewhat easier to argue a coincidence if it had happened earlier in the timeframe.
blissyu2
This is almost poll worthy. Was the posting that Benoit's wife had died a random vandalism that coincidentally was true, or was it by someone who actually knew something?

If they knew something, then it stands to reason that it wasn't a double murder-suicide at all, but really a triple murder that was blamed on one of the victims. It doesn't necessarily mean that the poster was the real murderer, but they might know something.

Or alternatively it could be that the poster witnessed the murder, or knew something about it.

Or it could simply be a hoax.

I am going with hoax.

And the lesson here, folks, is to be careful if you announce someone's death, because if they do end up dead then you could be the subject of a major police enquiry.

I think that they should go to jail for it anyway. Announcing people's deaths on the internet is bad form anyway, and always leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(everyking @ Sat 30th June 2007, 3:46am) *

I have a hard time believing it's a coincidence. The odds seem ridiculously low. As an active RC patroller for years, I can tell you that this kind of fake death vandalism is just not as common as some people would have you believe; it's not rare, but I'd classify it as occasional. Most such vandalism, moreover, will consist of someone changing the intro to add a death date, or adding a blatantly absurd cause of death which may or may not involve some sort of sexual misadventure. Someone adding death vandalism that actually fits in the context of the article and makes logical sense is much more unusual.

One thing I'm wondering about: in the history of that article prior to that day, had anyone ever claimed she was dead before? If so, then it would be somewhat more plausible to claim it's a coincidence. More likely, in my view, is that Benoit himself mentioned her death (probably saying it was natural or accidental) in one of those calls he made that weekend, and the news started to spread in some circles. Additionally, note that the vandalism occurred near the end of the timeframe (14 hours left); of course, if the news did get out, then people would be more likely to know about it at a late point in the timeframe. It would be somewhat easier to argue a coincidence if it had happened earlier in the timeframe.


I'll take that bet with you if you like everyking - £50/$100 to me if it's a coincidence, £50/$100 to you if it isn't. PM me for paypal details if you're interested...

In your favour, there is the fact that the police have seized this person's computer. In the UK, that would usually be a sign that they had a better to reason to suspect that he or she was involved than the facts that we are in posession of.

I'll be keeping my reasons close to my chest until you answer the bet, lest I dissuade you!
blissyu2
QUOTE(Unrepentant Vandal @ Sun 8th July 2007, 5:55am) *

In your favour, there is the fact that the police have seized this person's computer. In the UK, that would usually be a sign that they had a better to reason to suspect that he or she was involved than the facts that we are in posession of.


I don't know about that. I once had someone running a smear campaign against me, and when I went to the police to report it, they insisted that they take possession of my computer and run a check through all of its systems to try to prove her guilt!

But I suppose with competent police that might mean something.
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