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Kathryn Cramer
. . . then why can't [fill in the blank]?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinkerbell_(dog).

There really needs to be a Celebrity Pets category, to cover this paricular WP excess. (Famous dogs doesn't cut it.)

The 2006 deletion discussion contains the memorable line "Dog has published a book."
Somey
Well, we can't call them "Biographies of Living Pets," because that would just be too confusing, what with their insistence on using acronyms for everything... "Biographies of Living Non-Persons" wouldn't work either, because they'd just assume it referred to banned users, or even non-users. And "Biographies of Living Animals" just sounds too broad and general to me.

Also, how would somebody's pet "opt out" of having a Wikipedia article about him/her/it? Bark once for yes, bark twice for no? And what if the animal is fictional, perhaps listed on the List_of_fictional_cats or List_of_fictional_dogs? Or for that matter, the List_of_fictional_mice_and_rats?

Ultimately, I'd have to say that while articles like this are rather excessive, the fact is that most pets crave attention, even unwarranted attention. And they run around with no clothes on most of the time anyway, so privacy probably isn't much of an issue for them.
GlassBeadGame
Maybe pet bios can be used as a training vehicle? Require Wikipedians to edit 20 pet bio articles over a six month period before they can be trusted with human BLPs. Also require either FA status or peer review of the pet bio articles. And, yes, by peer review I do mean the pets.
everyking
It would actually be absurd not to have an article on the dog. Think about how famous this dog is, how often it has been mentioned in the press and seen on TV, and how many cultural references it gets.
Kathryn Cramer
QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 31st July 2007, 4:20pm) *

It would actually be absurd not to have an article on the dog. Think about how famous this dog is, how often it has been mentioned in the press and seen on TV, and how many cultural references it gets.


What would Britannica do? smile.gif
everyking
QUOTE(Kathryn Cramer @ Thu 2nd August 2007, 6:47pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 31st July 2007, 4:20pm) *

It would actually be absurd not to have an article on the dog. Think about how famous this dog is, how often it has been mentioned in the press and seen on TV, and how many cultural references it gets.


What would Britannica do? smile.gif


The wrong thing, I suppose.
blissyu2
I agree with Everyking. By Wikipedia's standards, Tinkerbell is notable. Even Britannica, who would undoubtedly write an article on Paris Hilton, would surely add a section for the dog. It'd be interesting to compare them actually.

Wikipedia writes more, and has lower standards for notability than real encyclopaedias, where Adolf Hitler gets 150 different articles, some of which scroll down for 50 or more pages each, while in a real encyclopaedia he'd get 3 or 4 pages at most. Wikipedia also writes about things like South Park, The Simpsons, Spongebob, and so forth, which others wouldn't (and which I actually find really useful, whenever I want to see which episodes I've missed, or remember what the one was that I saw before).

By those standards, that article is fair enough. It's written a book, it's an accessory to Paris Hilton. And look, if one of Paris Hilton's accessory boyfriends, Mark Phillippousis, managed to get his own TV dating show "Age of Love" just because he once went out with Paris Hilton, then I'm sure that the dog is just as famous as the poo (Australia's nickname for Mark Phillippousis is "the poo").
LamontStormstar
I think SlimVirgin's poodle needs an article.
LamontStormstar
Ving Rhames, the black guy who was anally raped in Pulp Fiction, owns these four dogs.

Large violent dogs and they killed one of his employees.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainmen...0,2802467.story
http://lalate.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/bre...e-and-scorsese/
http://lalate.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/lal...ce-with-4-dogs/
http://www.sloopo.com/index.php/2007/08/03...rhames-la-home/

Kathryn Cramer
QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Sat 4th August 2007, 6:15pm) *


And then there's Seamus the dog who just got his own NYT op-ed.
LamontStormstar
QUOTE(Kathryn Cramer @ Sat 4th August 2007, 3:55pm) *

QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Sat 4th August 2007, 6:15pm) *


And then there's Seamus the dog who just got his own NYT op-ed.



Would you mind pasting the article or linking to it where it's on a site that doesn't force you to make an account to read it?
Kathryn Cramer
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Sat 4th August 2007, 7:06pm) *

QUOTE(Kathryn Cramer @ Sat 4th August 2007, 3:55pm) *

QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Sat 4th August 2007, 6:15pm) *


And then there's Seamus the dog who just got his own NYT op-ed.



Would you mind pasting the article or linking to it where it's on a site that doesn't force you to make an account to read it?


Haunted by Seamus
By GAIL COLLINS
Published: August 4, 2007
Most high-profile politicians acquire weird little bits of biography that you just cannot shake out of your mind. A reporter once told me that he sat next to a member of Congress on a trip, while said lawmaker kept eating mayonnaise out of those little packets they give you at fast-food restaurants. Even if this guy someday single-handedly resurrects the Equal Rights Amendment and shepherds it through 37 State Legislatures, when I look at him, a corner of my brain will always think condiments.


Tony Cenicola/The New York Times
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Columnist Biography: Gail Collins

Then there is Mitt Romney, a candidate most of us don’t really know well yet. (A disconcerting number of well-informed people seem to believe his name is “Mort.”) Yet he could become the Republican presidential nominee. It behooves us to pay attention, to mull his Iran plan and deconstruct his position on health care.

But every time I see him, all I can think about is Seamus the dog.

Seamus, in case you missed the story, was the Romneys’ Irish setter back in the early 1980s. Mitt used to drive the family from Boston to Ontario every summer for a vacation, with the dog strapped to the roof in a crate.

As The Boston Globe reported this summer, Romney had the entire trip planned so rigidly that every gas station stop was predetermined before departure. During the fatal trip of ’83, Seamus apparently needed one more than the schedule allowed. When evidence of the setter’s incontinence came running down the back windshield, Romney abandoned his itinerary and drove to the closest gas station, where he got a hose and sprayed both dog and station wagon clean.

“It was a tiny preview of a trait he would grow famous for in business: emotion-free crisis management,” The Globe said.

Well, you could spin it that way. Imagine George W. Bush staring blankly at the windshield, the way he did during his My Pet Goat moment. However, how many people out there are troubled by the idea that we might have a president who wouldn’t let his kids go to the bathroom unless it was time for a preauthorized rest stop?

Romney has already come under considerable fire from animal rights groups over the Seamus incident. “They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air,” Romney snapped back. He said that just recently, in Pittsburgh, although Seamus had actually long since shuffled off this mortal coil.

Is it possible that Romney is trying to dodge the Republican YouTube debate because he’s afraid someone will ask him about his method of transporting dogs across long distances? Perhaps we could have one sponsored by the A.S.P.C.A. instead.

Most of the candidates from both parties have pets. In fact, so many of them have golden retrievers or labradors you can’t help but wonder if they rent them. (John Edwards, ever the conspicuous consumer, has one of each.) This could be an excellent opportunity for John McCain to catch a break, since he seems to have the largest menagerie. Although counting each of the fish individually was a bit much.

McCain also has a ferret, which could provide ample opportunity for lively discussion with Rudy Giuliani, a well-known ferret-hater. Few of us who lived in New York City during his ferret-banning crusade can forget the day a ferret owner confronted the mayor on a radio-call-in show. Giuliani, in tones of Dr. Phil on steroids, urged him to seek psychiatric care. (“This excessive concern with little weasels is a sickness.”)

Animal-lovers around the nation may also be interested to know that Giuliani’s second wife once asked for $1,140 a month in dog support for Goalie, the family retriever. Or that the third Mrs. Giuliani is a former saleswoman for surgical staplers — a profession that involves demonstrations of how well the product works during unnecessary surgery on dogs.

The Giuliani campaign has dodged the question of whether Judith Nathan Giuliani ever was involved in this kind of activity, which usually ends badly for the dog in question. This week a spokesman said he didn’t know, adding: “In the 1970s that was an acceptable medical technique,” which I think we can probably take for a yes.

Once we settle all these issues we can get back to health care. Although every time Mitt Romney walks on stage, a sodden Irish setter is going to flash before my eyes.
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