Wow. How did you get access to so many different IPs? Quite a coup if they were all you.

They didn't even spell your name right, Jonny!

If they go ahead with recursive checkuser, the most likely end result is that they will eventually ban everyone except their elite.

Nota Bene. Jonny Cache will neither confirm nor deny the existence of any alternate accounts.

So don't bother asking.

Still, I simply could not resist passing along the Wiki-Platter, Dude, of this Sock Shakedown Party for the comment of astute observers on the sheer* plausibility of it.

And be sure to check out Raul654's Recursèd Feature Request.

Jonny

* Jonny Cache will neither confirm nor deny the wearing of sheer anything.

If they go ahead with recursive checkuser, the most likely end result is that they will eventually ban everyone except their elite.

Which, of course, would suit their paranoid delusions perfectly.

Part of the problem is that they don't rely on Checkuser but block people on guilt by association, perceived similarities of style, looking at tea leaves, etc.

I have saved HTML and MHT versions of that Sock Shakedown Party page, but I've never been able to figure out how to capture a screenshot on my old home machine. Could somebody snap that up before it gets disappeared?

Gratia in futuro …

Jonny

I got to give you credit, your are a busy wiki-dobee.

Sorta like this poor soul

Now if I help you, it matters that you see
These sordid kinda things are coming hard to me.
It's taken me some time to work out what to do.
I weighed the whole thing out before I came to you.

I have no thought at all about my own reward.
I really didn't come here of my own accord.
Just don't say I'm ... banned for all time.

I came because I had to; I'm the one who saw.
Jimbo can't control it like he did before.
And furthermore I know that Jimbo thinks so too.
Jimbo wouldn't mind that I was here with you.

I have no thought at all about my own reward.
I really didn't come here of my own accord.
Just don't say I'm ... banned for all time.

Seth, you're a friend, a worldly man and wise.
Daniel, my friend, I know you sympathise.
Why are we the prophets? Why are we the ones
Who see the sad solution - know what must be done?

I have no thought at all about my own reward.
I really didn't come here of my own accord.
Just don't say I'm banned for all time.

SLIM VIRGIN

Cut the protesting, forget the excuses.
We want information. Get up off the floor.

DUROVA

We have the papers we need to arrest him.
You know his movements. We know the law.

ELOQUENCE

Your help in this matter won't go unrewarded.

JEHOCHMAN

We'll pay you in silver, cash on the nail.
We just need to know where the admins can find him.

JAYJG

With no crowd around him.

JZG

Then we can't fail.

KOHSER

I don't want your bloody wiki!

JIMBO

Oh, that doesn't matter, our fundraising is good.

KOHSER

I don't need your bad wiki!

JEHOCHMAN

But you might as well take it. We think that you should.

JIMBO

Think of the things you could do with our wiki,
Pretend to be a charity, co-opt the poor.
We've noted your motives.
We've noted your feelings.
This isn't Foundation money - it's a ...

ELOQUENCE

Plea, nothing...

DUROVA

Plea, nothing...

JIMBO

Plea, nothing more.

KOHSER

On Thursday night you'll find me where you want me.
Far from the crowds, on an anonymous IP.

CHOIR

Well done Kohser. Good old Kohser.

Consider it done.

Greg

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Here's how wonderful UpChuckUser is about detecting socks …

For one user to be tied to this short list of IP addresses (just a random sample of the [[User:Libertyvalley]] "socks"), they'd have to have accounts on at least 5 different ISPs, using points-of-presence in at least 6 states, and have to do all that while working for Gaylord Entertainment in Tennessee.

IP Address — GeoSelect — Whois
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
216.144.201.134 — Ann Arbor, MI — IP2GO.NET
12.75.18.154 — Berkley, MI — AT&T
12.75.20.120 — Detroit, MI — AT&T
12.153.11.142 — Hermitage, TN — Gaylord Entertainment/AT&T
24.245.57.67 — Inver Grove Heights, MN — Comcast Minnesota
208.17.34.25 — New Castle, DE — Comcast/Sprint
64.198.97.129 — New York, NY — McLeodUSA
12.75.19.64 — Oxford, MI — AT&T
71.61.33.59 — Pittsburgh, PA — Comcast
71.185.182.141 — West Chester, PA — Verizon

Can the WikiPidiots really believe that one person controls all of those IP addresses? Well, yes, if they're morons. It would take a comic-book supervillain … oh, wait, that explains it.

Sources: Geoselect.com's IP Locator and ARIN's Whois page.

I think that one thing is pretty clear — If it had been members of The Wikipedia Review who had published a drag.net dossier of the order that Raul, Ryulong, and Company yesterday published on that Wikipedia Checkuser Page, then The Wikipedia Review would now as one body stand accused of the most censorious cyberstalking and the most heinous harassment of Wikipedia users. Indeed, we have stood so accused of worse than that for doing far less than they themselves constantly do.

Gee, how hypocritical of 'em, you say …

All of which simply goes to illustrate a general conclusion — Wikipediot Adminions are far worse harassers of their users, far worse violators of their own users' privacy and well-being than all other internet forces put together.

12.153.11.142 - Hermitage, TN - Gaylord Entertainment/AT&T

I'd assume this one from "Gaylord Entertainment" is someone editing from work, likely a gay porn company by the name. I think this proves it is not a sock as you have to physically be there and you can't just dial long distance.

Incidentally, this violates WP:NPA. Runcorn was blocked for sockpuppetry, not vandalism.

Gaylord Entertainment is the parent company of the Grand Old Opry.

it's easy to accuse people of using TOR, precisely because there can be no hard proof or disproof (which is what happened to me).

People teleport all the time to be sockpuppets. An American IP was recently blocked as Runcorn by the ever-reliable Yamla, who alleged that he'd accessed it via a secret tunnel under the Atlantic. "ssh tunnel used by banned vandal, Runcorn, to violate block. Please have your network administrator contact me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...r:204.155.226.2

Incidentally, this violates WP:NPA. Runcorn was blocked for sockpuppetry, not vandalism.

== How to Order==
Ordering at Quiznos is started by your choice of a sandwich. After your choice is made, you choosr your type of bread. The bread is eithier wheat or white. Once this is completed the sub maker will ask you what you want on the sub . Unlike Subway, you have certian things on your sub. Example, on the Chiken Baja, the only veggetables that come on it are onion and cilontro. But if you want more, it can be requested. Also you have your choices of sauces, this follows the same pattern. Finally, once your sandwiches is finished being made, you have the choice of making your meal a combo. A combo is your sandwich plus of drink and a choice between chips or a cookie.

First, I will pick you up from your house in a white limousine and take you to the finest dance club in the entire city. The people at this club will be attractive and the beats will be crazy. We will not be in the club for a minute before we get on the dance floor. Even though the other people will be good dancers, we will be the best. When you bump, I will bump. When you grind, I will grind. We will move together like twins who happen to like to freak.

When you have had your fill of dancing, I will take you by the hand and lead you to the most romantic corner of the entire club and sit you down on one of the plush, red-velvet couches. While you rest, Smoove will go the bar and purchase a drink for you. Before I bring it back to you, I will taste it, demanding finer gin should it fall short of my expectations for you. Also, I will ask for less ice so that your gin and tonic is not diluted.

I am appalled that this trans-Atlantic sockpuppet eventually removed this edit from Wikipedia. A classic. I would have banned him just for removing the "How to Order" section from the Quiznos article!

What a surprisingly large number of people are missing here is that Wikipedia Administrators are engaged in a program of automated systematic cyberstalking, and that what they have done here is something that they have arrogated to themselves the priviledge of doing to any accounts in their registration files.

Jonny

Were any of these accounts actually blocked for anything, or is it just because they're Jon's (although I find it hard to believe they could all be his)? Was there any disruption, double voting, any of that going on? Was Jon contributing productively?

I just looked at Libertyvalley, and that account seems mainly occupied with opposing the existence of the rather questionable History of West Eurasia article. I want to give Jon some credit here, though, because he was communicating in totally clear and coherent English on that account (assuming it's him). Jon, you could learn a thing or two from your socks.

For instance, the myth about it being only the quality of the edit that matters and not the person who edits?

For instance, the myth about banned editors being able to resurrect themselves under another username so long as they reform their ways and never repeat the errors of their former ways?

I know yer all laughing sardonically now, but go random sample the Wikenlist — be sure to take a WikiPepto™ first — and you will find this BS still being chanted by all the True Believers there.

Jonny

I think they have given up on that one, which I always argued was false in practice. Recently there was a discussion on ANI about an editor who was a very good contributor, but had had a previous account that was banned — the discussion was basically unanimous in favor of banning the good account. When people adopt that position, I think they have prioritized politics over the encyclopedia itself and have lost sight of the purpose of the whole project.

I think they have given up on that one, which I always argued was false in practice.

Indeed, one example I have mentioned recently is List of Czech and Slovak Jews. This was repeatedly vandalised by Kazakhstan rocks, who is a sockpuppet of banned user Antidote. The vandalism was reverted by several IPs. What happened? The IPs were blocked as sockpuppets of Runcorn (which they weren't) and not only waas Antidote not blocked, an admin restored the vandalism!

Not that I think for a second that we don't need another Runcorn thread, Guy, but what kinds of larger conclusions can you draw about the Big Phreakin Picture from these unwashable masses of one damn case after another? And if we dare go just a hair further than that, what consequences for deeds more solid than air?

That Antidote's POV is so solidly backed by the Cabal that although they can't unblock that account because there's an unassailable RfCU to prove that he was abusing sockpuppets, they're happy to turn a blind eye to his new sockpuppets and to use whatever bogeyman is convenient to bar his opponents.

Indeed. The proof that Brownlee and R613vlu were the same user is that both had used TOR and had sometimes used the same exit nodes. A few days running TOR at home and at work is enough to show the absurdity of that argument. No doubt someone will say that just using TOR is grounds for a ban, but nobody said that the others in that mass-ban had used TOR!

A fine exampe of how WP policies blissfully ignore technical realities that are inconvenient. As you point out, there's only a finite number of TOR exit nodes at any given moment, a subset of which haven't been blocked yet. Of course, this raises the deeper issue of why WP blocks TOR in the first place. It obviously doesn't work, but there doesn't seem to be any justification for even trying. Ultimately, TOR isn't about running socks, it's about hiding your IP from people who would gladly reveal your identity. You'd think that WP would therefore encourage everyone to edit using TOR, to allow anonymity.

The more you look at it, the less WP policies make any sense at all.

Al