Thatcher has now tried an old Mantanmoreland Jedi Mind Trick (check out MM's "they're socking, not me!" deceptive edits to claim other editors aren't talking about his socking, but someone else's):
http://www.antisocialmedia.net/Gary_Weiss_...ion_Debate.html

He is (dis)earnestly trying to characterise the Varkala Situation as being described as a Samiharris, not MM, correlation. Despite no mention of this anywhere.

Why?

Because Thatcher is desperate to save Mantanmoreland, and the Samiharris sock is already screwed. So let's blame the fart on the dog.

Unbelievable. Is this person really on an arbitration committee?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=191757539


No there aren't. Not one person has "gone along with" that.

Thatcher, again, proves that people will say anything when they paint themselves into a corner with their own past lies. That is not a honest mistake.

What a joke.

And Gary is back on the "I'm a Defender Against Corporate POV Campaigns" horse.

Nevermind that no corporation has edited Naked Short Selling. I did. Against his two socks at the same time. From my house. I'm not a corporation. If I saw any "Corporate" (great word to stir up the college kids, gary!) I would have notified the COI page, as I did

Copper River

editing David Rocker. You're familiar with them, right Gary? Or as I did NBC editing NBC reporter bio's. Lol.

I also reported you, discreetly, by email, to Mr Hochman. But he was highly unmotivated, lol.

The "relata refero" guy is blowing up Gary's bullsh-t on the NSS talk page right now.

What did occur is a "Desperate Author Pumping His Book" Campaign. Gary is goin' down blazin'. Go gary! Where's Samiharris at?

These Arbcom shindigs just become swamped by anyone and everyone throwing in their two cents. It is an utterly appalling manner in which to settle disputes. And lets face it, this dispute is serious enough to have a big impact on at least two peoples' real world careers.

See number three of GlassBeadGame's Ten Reasons Why The Arbitration Committee Doesn’t Matter:



See also, my statement last week:


There are currently 24 people making statements on the Arbcom talk page, including the ridiculous GeorgeWilliamHerbert. Herbert concludes that despite Wordbomb's Weiss=Mantanmoreland theory being proved beyond reasonable doubt, and despite the sockpuppetry claims now being considered a formality, "Bagley's fundamental premise is therefore wrong". Herbert is without doubt the most cretinous meddler on the site. Every single thing he says is absolute bollocks.

the singlemost effective and truthful proceedings that have take place on this matter (and my block review) occurred when WIKIPEDIANS WHO WERE NEVER INVOLVED were shown the facts of the matter and allowed to freely speak to their conclusions.

When that occurred, over 20 editors opined on fozzie's investigation page that the sky is blue.

Those who have been involved in this situation before should be providing "evidence" and letting the truly neutral decide.

But neutrality is not WP's strong suit.

They're doing their best to call the sky green, and all of you knaves will submit to their royal declarations, lol.....

Those 1,841 emails are still hanging over this. It's not too late to start the truth-telling, all you Wikicrats.

Is GWH really suggesting that knowingly agreeing with a banned user is the same thing as proxying for them?

I don't see that having "X" number of users making comments on the Arbcom talk pages is a bad thing. Surely the more than make comments, the more that will feel comfortable coming forward and making comments?

If it were just the usual crowd, it could turn the "neutral" off from the proceedings as they wouldn't want to get involved in battle between the "usual sides".

Just my view.

JzG has, as I posted here:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15875

Herbert is off his face. Just follow his contributions on any number of subjects -- he makes Guy Chapman sound like Richard Dawkins. How on earth Herbert ascended to some higher chamber in Wikipedia's corridors of power I'll never know. At least with Slim and JoshuaZ, you have to admit that they're not stupid. Someone should put together a compilation of the best of Herbert, it'll sell out in no time.

Lol. Yeah, there's someone who can't read one diff and a Forbes byline. Idiot. Didn't he leave again?

If they've got evidence, then fine -- but if they're spewing a load of irrational half-baked opinions that could be accompanied by the Laurel and Hardy theme tune, then they should just get lost.

GWH may have just seen the Varkala evidence, then...!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=191695532

You have to concede one thing to Slim. There is no way in hell she will stand up and call the sky green. She'll decline to comment and have you taken away by the Stazi, but she's not one to volunteer public displays of disconnections with reality. GWH and JzG's are treasures of Wikipedia Review. You guys should put these two into a WR Hall of Fame. Complete with a long list, including GWH's wikien-l diamonds, of their best work. By best work I mean the many ways they can declare the sky green. It's endlessly entertaining, and should keep W-R in high traffic-cotton for years to come.

No, Thatcher is not on the Arbitration Committee presently, although there's considerable support for him to run at the next election (and was at the last, as well).

-Daniel

People clutching at straws because they would be devestated to find out that those they dont like are actually right!

Thatcher was quite decent to me when arbitrolls Dmcdevit and Morven were breathing down my neck.

Another example of someone mistaking social networking with truth. Reminds me of the farcical "resolution" to my ban review.

At some point these admins are going to have to pretend these judicial proceedings shouldn't be popularity contests, who was nice, and "Survivor" reality show re-runs. You wonder why people get so upset. Children throwing spitballs at scholars.

You don't treat plaintiffs and defendants differently in court because they're your friends. You recuse yourself from the jury or the bench and let someone else put on the justice blindfold.

Oh yes, of course. The likes of David Gerard, SlimVirgin and Jayjg certainly pull the strings; no doubt is left once you read the admonishment to David Gerard, the warning to SlimVirgin, and the public admonishment/reminder to Jayjg. Hrm. I didn't think these users were the self-admonishing types; or, at least, the Review's constant portrayal of them, their actions and their "attitudes" certainly doesn't make said connection easy to comprehend. Maybe I missed the latest dossier from the cabal about new tactics, though.

-Daniel

and what was actually DONE to them, Daniel? nothing. it was a show.

Beyond that case, what was done to Slimmy's double voting sock? Lol. How about Jayjg's Oversight and "Allegations of" stunts? How about Gerard's serial DICK routine?

REPENT! REPENT! THE END IS NEAR!

Good thing I had no idea about that Varkala stuff. It was all figured out by other folks, so it's untainted by my WordBomb mojo.

When I found your ASM site while googling gary (ooh that doesn't sound right), I didn't take any of it at face value. You had links, WP diffs, etc. I went and didn't trust, but verified all of what I concluded, myself.

That these Denny Colt morons on WP decided that people couldn't decide for themselves when pointed to facts we could all not trust but verify has been the funniest part of all this.

It's a Monty Python dead parrot sketch, and I've been watching it re-run for 10 months now.

I'll put my hands up here and now and admit I was skeptical, even a few days ago. Even not that many hours ago, even.

But as soon as this gorgeous Indian graph appeared, it all fell into place.

And all with publicly available evidence, which is always a good thing.

I feel bad about doubting but now completely relieved that WB has been vindicated.

And a thought...

When Vikings died they went to Valhalla but Mantanmore's credibility died at Varkala!

man, just go here: antisocialmedia.net
use a proxy if you don't want one of those morally depraved sitemeters logging your IP. Like this site, WP, your grandma's blog, and any other site you visit does.

Or don't. And believe what these liars on W-P have been telling you about what colour the sky is.

I did, I came, I saw, I verified for myself. It's something more people should do with their own research endeavours on WP.

That's all people needed to do. Check themselves.

Wordy has come here a few times and made some wild speculations about sockpuppets, and I've usually been careful to check them and criticize them if they're not up to scratch. And lets face it, some of them were way off the mark, which set back Wordy's case significantly. But the Weiss=Mantan central thesis was solid to anyone who bothered to look into it. (I'm pretty confident now alongside Somey that Doright is a sock as well but that is moot now). You only need to check the Mantan topic history in relation to Weiss's own profile to realize that it was a near certainty they were one and the same, and it had been an established truth here among people older, wiser, and sharper than the WP aristocracy for a long time.

That JzG and co repeatedly described them as "lunatic ravings" only goes to show how incompetent or corrupt or just plain warped these people are.

One thing I need to point out is that I often came here to specifically to speculate and get feedback on working theories, particularly those involving editors I didn't know well. Much of your careful criticism (and that of others) saved me countless hours. Thanks for that.

But ya gotta understand: if I feel good enough to put something up on AntiSocialMedia.net, then you can bank on it.

And maybe that's why I've posted less than 30 times in 15 months.

Having said that, over time I have disproved two of my own minor claims.

Contrary to what I posited here, I'm now certain that:

1. User:FairNBalanced is not Gary Weiss
2. User:Doright is not Gary Weiss

Fortunately, those points really have no bearing on the central premise of ASM, which is that: Gary Weiss is Mantanmoreland, and corrupt administrators are doing every thing they can to keep you from knowing that.

As mentioned above, I've found something that rules Doright out. I'd share it now but it'll be better if I wait until the current ArbCom is done.

No kidding.

See what passes for "Evidence":



Wow. Rivetting.



"I think there's something magical about this case, as opposed to 99% of other SSP/SMP cases. What it is, I can't say, but I think we need special standards of evidence here."



"I am presenting a claim with zero to back it up. This is horrendous! On my say so! What do you want? I could present, you know, actual contra-indicating evidence, but that'd require things like actual data, and time. So I won't."



"I am utterly aware that most publishers employ editors to edit works for style and presentation, to work with the author to ensure these are cohesive with the media and so forth, but that might go against my 'evidence'."

I've seen him stick up for the underdog, as he did when Marvin Diode tried to take Cberlet and Dking before the ArbCom.


Well, I can attest to the fact that this sort of reasoning abounds at Wikipedia. Will Beback is something of a specialist in it.

At Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Workshop, Thatcher says,



Not always. On Jan 23rd, he says,