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Proabivouac
So here I am looking up Arabic dialects:
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"Descended from Old North Arabian dialects of pre-Islamic Arabia, early Arabic had noticeable dialect distinctions - in particular between Qahtanite, Adnan, and Himyar. With the spread of Islam in the 7th century, Qur'anic Arabic became the most prevalent dialect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_dialects

Adnan, hmm, that sounds interesting…
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"Adnani Arabs trace their lineage to Nizar bin Ma'ad bin Adnan who descends from Ismail bin Abraham in 40 generations through Ismail's son Qidar…"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan

Ishmael, son of Abraham - yes, that Abraham.

Read on. Everything is explained.
guy
Sorry, what's the issue? Is there a reliable source that Ishmael son of Abraham didn't exist?

Random832
QUOTE(guy @ Fri 11th April 2008, 7:06pm) *

Sorry, what's the issue? Is there a reliable source that Ishmael son of Abraham didn't exist?


Is there a reliable source that he did? Is there a reliable source that "by the grace of god" (the article actually says that) he had twelve sons from the daughter of Mudad, whose names were Nabet, Qidar, Edbael, Mebsham, Mishma', Duma, Micha, Hudud, Yetma, Yetour, Nafis and Qidman, and who ultimately formed twelve tribes inhabiting Mecca?
Proabivouac
QUOTE(guy @ Fri 11th April 2008, 7:06pm) *

Sorry, what's the issue? Is there a reliable source that Ishmael son of Abraham didn't exist?

Bear in mind, this article is not supposed to be about a religious concept, but the actual origin of a particular tribe.

The source is this book, The Sealed Nectar:
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"Beyond a shadow of doubt, the biography of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) manifestedly represents an exhaustive embodiment of the sublime Divine Message that he communicated in order to deliver the human race from the swamp of darkness and polytheism to the paradise of light and monotheism."
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/ch1s1.html

Scroll down the page for the genealogy.
guy
But see the beauty of Wikipedia. This is a sourced article. So everything in it must stand unless and until somone provides sources to refute it.
Random832
QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Fri 11th April 2008, 7:14pm) *

QUOTE(guy @ Fri 11th April 2008, 7:06pm) *

Sorry, what's the issue? Is there a reliable source that Ishmael son of Abraham didn't exist?

Bear in mind, this article is not supposed to be about a religious concept, but the actual origin of a particular tribe.


Actually, note the title. It's supposed to be about a personal name and/or the person himself (the version before had name infoboxes but described a particular person), and I've restored it to the version from before it was vandalized.
guy
QUOTE(Random832 @ Fri 11th April 2008, 8:11pm) *

Is there a reliable source that he did? Is there a reliable source that "by the grace of god" (the article actually says that) he had twelve sons from the daughter of Mudad, whose names were Nabet, Qidar, Edbael, Mebsham, Mishma', Duma, Micha, Hudud, Yetma, Yetour, Nafis and Qidman, and who ultimately formed twelve tribes inhabiting Mecca?

Compare Genesis 25, 13-15, which lists the twelve sons of Ishmael.
Moulton
I just hope the biographer of Noah and his progeny was more familiar with the subject than the would-be biographers of those two scientists who were discussed this week on NTWW.
Tops
Why complain about it when you can fix it?
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(Tops @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:31pm) *

Why complain about it when you can fix it?

Why make suggestions that banned users cannot comply with?
ThurstonHowell3rd
Random832 has saved Wikipedia by reverting the addition.

I am not expressing an opinion on the value of this addition, but why do editors such as Random832 become involved in a article in a subject area which they have never contributed and have no expertise? Surely it would have been better if the contributors to this article sorted out what to do with this latest addition.
Random832
QUOTE(ThurstonHowell3rd @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:00pm) *

Random832 has saved Wikipedia by reverting the addition.

I am not expressing an opinion on the value of this addition, but why do editors such as Random832 become involved in a article in a subject area which they have never contributed and have no expertise? Surely it would have been better if the contributors to this article sorted out what to do with this latest addition.


Because it is a copyright violation from http://thearabhistory.com/adnan. That it stood for half a year with do-nothing copyediting from a dozen users is a cause for concern.
Tops
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:35am) *

QUOTE(Tops @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:31pm) *

Why complain about it when you can fix it?

Why make suggestions that banned users cannot comply with?

Proabivouac is not banned.
Derktar
QUOTE(Tops @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 4:49pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:35am) *

QUOTE(Tops @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:31pm) *

Why complain about it when you can fix it?

Why make suggestions that banned users cannot comply with?

Proabivouac is not banned.

Not at this particular moment, but why should someone who is treated with such disrespect lift a finger to help Wikipedia?

The answer is they shouldn't.
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(Tops @ Wed 23rd April 2008, 12:49am) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:35am) *

QUOTE(Tops @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 3:31pm) *

Why complain about it when you can fix it?

Why make suggestions that banned users cannot comply with?

Proabivouac is not banned.

Moulton, under which your comment sits, is banned. He sought to fix problems. He was banned for his good faith efforts. Giano identified a different type of problem and went through the proper channels and was promised a resolution. When he pointed out that the promised resolution was not forthcoming, a campaign of vilification was started. So it appears there may be many valid reasons why people cannot or chose not to "fix it".
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