QUOTE(Viridae @ Sun 18th May 2008, 9:36am)
Milton you just reminded me aof a QI episode - someone pointed out that any country with the word democratic in its name (Ie democratic republic of the congo formally Zaire) usually isn't.
Yep, for sure. Any "People's Republic" of anything, is also rarely a republic as we understand the term (i.e., a true representational democracy). Unless by "democracy" you use the Cuban definition of "You can either vote Yes or No for the single Party candidate".
As I've said before, Wikipedia's method where something comes up and you only get to vote yes or no, and something like supraplural consensus usually carries the day, reminds me of nothing so much as Cuban democracy. The Wikicultists always say it's not a democracy, and they're sort of right. It's not.
In defence of Godwin and his law, the reason Hitler always comes up in talking about politics or ethics, is that he makes such a wonderful bad example. It's often been said that the Germans voted the Nazis in democratically, but that's not really true. It only happened after leaders on the Left had been killed, beaten, intimidated, etc., giving the Nazis, if not a majority, at least the largest bloc. Then they were handed the chancellorship and made themselves the single party. That happened in various Communist countries also. "Bolsheviks" means "majority" (same root as Bolshoi = big), but they weren't. But they took over anyway, then outlawed all opposition.
And that also is the way things are done on Wikipedia. There is no Conservative Party, no Reform Party. No Progressive party. No Jimbo-is-always-right Party (at least by name). No parties are permitted. They don't even have a named Party, and pretend they don't have one at all (the Jimbo is God party however, rules). They pick off leaders of the opposition on any major point, target them as "disruptive influences" or neutralize them with other smears. If necessary, they suppress their evidence. Cla68 is merely the last case of many. THEN, they "vote." And the vote is invariably to Do Nothing and follow the status quo. Jimbo wouldn't let them make any major changes in named policy anyway.
To paraphrase Churchill, democracy's an ugly business, but other methods are uglier (at least on large scales. For small scales where everyone knows everyone else well, benevolent dictatorship works okay sometimes, ala families; but it doesn't, well,
scale well). Wikipedia has a problem in that by instituting anonymity, they've made democracy impossible along with expertise-checking. So they're in the soup. And, making a virtue of necessity, will NOT admit it.
But you can bet that if Jimbo is ever required to change WP's policies by law, or pressure, or from having sold it off and having to answer to investors, the new policies will be sold as having come "from the people" ("Ordinary Wikipedians"). And they'll be sold as the best thing since sliced bread. And as having "Just been thought of-- the answers we've been searching for all the time, but nobody had previously considered." The bastards.
If we hadn't seen this so much and for so long in human history, it would be worse. But actually, it's pretty much the same-old, same-old of human tribal existence. It's true democracy that is the (relatively) New Thing in human culture, and still hasn't spread to all points. Yes the tradition has come up in Greece and Iceland and so on, but it hasn't been the norm until after WW II. And we're still fighting the fight, all across the globe and on the internets, too.
-Milt