QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 30th June 2008, 9:30pm)
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Mon 30th June 2008, 6:06am)
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Socrates was sentenced to death for corrupting the youth. What did this mean?
I suppose it means that Athens, like Wikipedia, didn't embrace Due Process, either.
Joan of Arc was also charged with perverting children. No due process there, either. Really, you should read
For the children. We all love children and pie. But we need to be constantly on guard against anybody advancing their agendas on the basis that some child or other will see something or other they shouldn't. Or that somewhere along the line, this [whatever thingy] will make some child-molester's job easier.
The function of technology is to make jobs easier. All jobs. Good jobs, evil jobs, in-between jobs. Be ever on your guard against arguments that some neutral form of power is to be surpressed because it allows evil people more power.
What we usually do when a new form of power becomes available, and somebody misuses it, is instead of outlawing it completely,we slow it down, control it, and license it only to people who've passed a knowledge test and can show ID. If you don't do that, bad things happen with automobiles, firearms, airplanes, radioisotopes, explosives, and so on. It may be that we're beginning to come to some of that those same lessons about computers and software, which after all, only represent raw power, neither intrinsically good or evil.
I know that people are used to creating and running a botnet with less external social vigiliance than they're have to undergo in buying a pistol or a stick of dynamite (both of which you can still do in the US, BTW). But perhaps it shouldn't be that way. Think of all the problems we were promised at Y2K which never happened. Okay, so that was premature. But those things CAN increasingly happen if the internet goes down. You CAN kill somebody with a botnet attack on social infrastructure. If it hasn't been done yet, it will eventually.
M
PS. Something needs to be said here about "porn," since that's also being discussed here. Now that porn has become completely uncontrollable, we're starting to get some people noticing the sour grapes aspect of it. Porn isn't interesting to children, and by the time the mature enough that (some of it) is interesting, they're not children any more (almost by defintion). So it's sort of self-regulating, insofar as corruption of children. In this sense, porn is NOT at all like pedophilia, in which the intrinsically uninterested person is often coerced by the interested one.
Child porn is an issue relevant to pederasty. Of course those men interested in having or imagining sexual relations with children will do their best to gain access to child pornography, and according to the research, will often take part in its production, and will of course fund it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pederast...hild_abuse_pageOf course, editors there, such as the self-identified pedophile AnotherSolipsist, and Haiduc, have done their best to keep the obvious issue out of the article.
Its similar to issues in zoophilia, which no doubt FT2 will know about, which involves a dismissal of duty of care over animals, exploitation in general and physical abuse.
When a consenting adult creates pornography for other consenting adults, then its a simple issue of rights of expression
When children and animals are used for pornography, its simple abuse and exploitation.
Editors such as FT2 are creating lists of "villainous sockpuppets" from editors who really do care about clearly representing such matters. Its not just about IP blocking. IP is only one source of support for crank admin's POV push. The sockdetector team largely support FT2 and similar. And of course so-called sock masters are supposed to be jetting around the world like J Bond or something, with all the extra IPs. If the IP doesn't work for the crank admin, they will just suppose their hated editor is the same and conflate them with all and sundry abusers all the same.
Nothing will be done about this, because admins either want to suppress such information, or they just don't give a toss. Its not a matter of expertise. The info is all there, getting suppressed by Haiduc, Jeffpw, AnotherSolipsist and co.
Check it out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pederasty