o Agreed. FT2 has had a statement ready to go for a couple of days now and has been in a holding pattern waiting for a thumbs-up from other members of the Committee. Please be patient. DurovaCharge! 17:13, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

* How clever you are Durova, to know these things. How do you know this? Are you just perceptive, clairvoyant, or have you written it? Giano (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I am waiting for replies to confirm if my proposed post (emailed some time ago) is acceptable to others. I can't do much till that gets feedback. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I see. Well I'm off to hound the rest of the arbitrators who are participating in other matters but leaving this unsolved, then. ++Lar: t/c 14:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) ... Mostly because I tend to be open by nature, and rarely more so than when asked to evidence conduct matters. Some of my colleagues may prefer other approaches, that needs to be respected if so. There will surely be benefit in saying what is so, without making it pointlessly tougher for others (who also must decide what they need to do) in the process. I ideally want to confirm with some other person/s that what I will say, will be seen by all as a fair and neutral summary. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Given the situation at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Orangemarlin, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Arbitration Committee and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Orangemarlin and other matters, I would think that a raw description of your view would be at least as valuable as a statement filtered against the committee. At least I, and I suspect many other editors, would like to hear from each Arbiter individually who thought that a secret case with sanctions against an established user was an acceptable idea. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to. I'm sitting here like a hawk watching my email, tied to my desk and 20 yards from it right now. The problem is that I want to be damn sure I only say things that are seen as accurate, and don't accidentally say something that's taken wrongly and escalates rather than clarifies. I'm waiting for more "arbitrators who aren't so in the middle of it as some", and most aren't round right now. It's as frustrating for me too. But hopefully not long before some folks come back from their weekends and check in and comment. I hope. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

tied to my desk and 20 yards from it right now.

Um, no, he said so on his his talk page a few days ago. Sorry Giano, Durova can just read.
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And gosh, Giano is irritating. I hope they ban him from Wikipedia: space soon.

Admin IRC in particular is a total disgrace and everyone who's been around awhile knows it. Its main function is to drive productive mainspace contributors off the site. One of the Arbs (guess who?) virtually runs the place.

Giano is a model contributor, in mainspace and project space alike. We need more Gianos, or, if you like, more free and honest people who are serious enough about the project not to let it fall into unworthy and dishonest hands without fighting back.

The internet is serious business. These people who Giano is fighting have been and are in charge, they've made a bloody mess of it, and they must go. Responsibility. But they'd have it that Giano must be held very responsible for every little word he types - Giano who is just a volunteer, who has no official responsibilities at all - while the people running the show take no responsibility for anything at all.

Admin IRC in particular is a total disgrace and everyone who's been around awhile knows it. Its main function is to drive productive mainspace contributors off the site. One of the Arbs (guess who?) virtually runs the place.

It's a small minority of admins who use IRC these days.

I wish nobody did. It's a system that's about fifteen years out of date, and it sucks. It's like still using ICQ and using altavista for all your web searches.

that's one thing I respect about giano, he's not afraid to say what everyone else wants to say, but are too scared to do it.

...and using altavista for all your web searches.

IRC to me has its advantages, one of which is if a place like AIV is backlogged, a normal editor can notify an admin immediately, rather than having to post on AN/ANI/Some notice board and perhaps have a delay.

In a nut shell, if it's a non-contraversal action, go ahead and use IRC to ask for it to be done. Otherwise, just post it on wiki.

IRC to me has its advantages, one of which is if a place like AIV is backlogged, a normal editor can notify an admin immediately, rather than having to post on AN/ANI/Some notice board and perhaps have a delay.

In a nut shell, if it's a non-contraversal action, go ahead and use IRC to ask for it to be done. Otherwise, just post it on wiki.

Have you ever considered that if those admins weren't farting around in a chatroom that they might be helping clear the AIV backlogs and helping out at the Admin Noticeboards? How is being on a service that is not answerable to anything Wikia, Inc related supposed to be helping the encyclopedia, when it means that the user is not present in the encyclopedia creating place?

Close it down - and hope a few souls go down with it.