QUOTE(One @ Thu 21st August 2008, 8:07pm)
Well, one time I allied myself with a cause disfavored by ArbCom, got burned out, and joined Wikipedia review. Man, that was some cra-azy shit.
But seriously, why do you want to create a thread to be cited against Lar, Alison, SirFozzie, and anyone who still hopes to improve the site from within? As a sometimes-Wikipedian myself, I must say that I disapprove of this thread (or at least any implication that disruption is useful for "good stories"). allegedly funny drama belongs to ED. There are several collections over there, and I'm sure they can add more.
Look, anything we do to criticize Lar, Alison and SirFozzie, those wonderful people (sniff), is going to be used against them on WP. And has. Whether or not we razz WP is not going to make any difference in the question of whether, or how, Lar and Alison "change it from within". It's not going to change from within. It's going to change from without, as it gets out competed by rival services.
Did you ever see Ford or IBM change from "within"? It happened long ago, but not in our common lifetimes. Today, if they change, it's because they're trying not to die. When they had it good, they changed nothing. IBM never saw the PC coming, then muffed the PC. I saw the president of Ford on TV the other day saying "You know, people want smaller, more efficient trucks." I wonder what gave him the first clue, and when?
The question was if anybody had caused disruption on WP to make a point, in obvious violation of [[WP:POINT]]. Since such things are one of my own favorite ways to make points in life, I'd like to know the answer. I've certainly been frustrated on Wikpedia, where WP:POINT is the catch-all weapon to be used against editors who want to finally make a point in a way that even the pinheads who run Wikipedia cannot ignore. But find they are wrong, as it's perfectly possible for a pinhead and/or narcissist to be able to ignore something when their own tables are turned on them. They simply become angry and defensive. They never are able to see the POINT, because they never are able to put themselves in somebody else's shoes. So that's that.
But it's fun to smoke out narcissists that way. In my experience, it's one of the sure-fire ways. Normal people "get it" when the tables are turned and they are forced to drink their own medicine. Narcissists never do.