http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/01/wi...naked_shorting/

I believe Weiss is on record as claiming those e-mails are forgeries. Time will tell, I suppose, if he chooses to sue El Reg for libel on this matter.

Interesting to finally learn the source of those emails.. even talking with Judd as I had being neck deep in this stuff, I didn't know anything about it.

As I said some weeks ago, now cannot be a fun time to be Gary Weiss. If the mainstream media gets ahold of this finally (which now seems fairly likely), it will be a rather grim time for Jimbo and Stroynaya Deva as well.

That is not to say that Jimbo and Stroynaya Deva are in as much trouble as Weiss (I'm guessing not), but it still cannot be a comfortable prospect to have to sit down with federal agents and answer a bunch of questions about what they knew and when they knew it. Then there is all the negative publicity for WP to consider.

Then on top of that, there is the political factor. If a bunch of angry and ambitious congressmen, backed by an even angrier public, start to demand scalps, there is just no telling how far this thing will go. I suppose it just depends on how big the impending bailout turns out to be and how deep the economic pain goes. Not exactly a fun time for the NSS cabal!

I honestly doubt all of that, Cedric.

Yes, it appears that Patrick and Judd have finally been vindicated.. but what, if anything has been proven to be illegal? (the what did they know, and when did they know it, part). I agree that GW's credibility should look like swiss cheese after being shot by rock salt, but hell, Maureen O'Gara still has a job.. so I don't see anything happening there.

huzzah! huzzah! huzzah! to Wordbomb and those who labored so long and hard in the face of a sublimely skeptical Arbitration Committee which, without exception, refused to clarify its position on the standard of evidence reqired for errm 'harsh' penalty.

perhaps some one could clarify as I'm a bit confused : Gary should be against a bailout of any kind?


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WordBomb!

Great article, and the source sounds quite credible. I'm glad that El Reg could not be cowed.

Incidentally, could you weigh in on this thread? If there's anyone who has suspicions about who Janeyryan and John Nevard are, it's you.

he would have sued Patrick Byrne a long time ago if they weren't genuine. He's a non-stop liar and I feel sorry for him.

but he hasn't done anything illegal that's been made public yet that I know of. But what else lurks on Floyd Schneider's brother's hard drive?

I think Judd just wanted Gary to stop calling Patrick Byrne a nutjob (which he started doing online in January 2006 on Yahoo Finance in a much worse display than he ever did on Wikipedia), and to stop shaming the journalism profession.

The thing that disappoints me the most about Gary and his (former? is he even a journalist any more?) colleagues is their unforgivable affront to journalism, and this covers a large swath of business journalists, who have become nothing more than promo lapdogs for some very rich and powerful hedge fund managers, and captured regulators who eventually go to work for them (every SEC big dick goes on to work for hedge funds or brokerages). They rely 100% on them for material, and its quid pro quo.

If he was up to worse, that remains to be seen I guess. The boys from Utah play it cool it appears.

I've heard unreliable rumours that Weiss was a pretty heavy stock gambler. If he was shorting OSTK while publishing blogs claiming its CEO was crazy for 2 years, that can't be good. Who knows. His friends certainly were shorting OSTK.

Anyone heard anything about Herb Greenberg lately?



you're a good egg, judd...

A WP'ian in good standing did some venting today on a WP talk page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=242371441

It was out-of-line for WP and appropriately reverted by another WP'ian in good standing.


I now call on Wikipedia to review all of the edits, and they are many, made by the following WP'ians in mysteriously good standing and some no longer welcome, that unjustly violate the public standing of Judd Bagley and Patrick Byrne. The edits are many, are stunning, and are to quote slimmy, legally actionable should Judd and Patrick ever bother with them. Remove from WP all edits made that accuse Byrne of being crazy, unstable, criminal, etc, and Bagley ditto.

I can remember the following editors making such edits, mostly on talk pages related to naked shorting, overstock, the ban review of moi, and other pages:

JzG
SlimVirgin
GeorgeWilliamHerbert
Tony Sidaway's sock farm
Gary Weiss's sockfarm namely Mantanmoreland and Samiharris
...and many more.

If i get some time, I'll go fishing for specific edits, or just look through Cla68's recent arbitrations.






Gary Weiss considers The Register a Reliable Source. Good enough for me, add today's El Reg into Wikipedia lore:

JzG slanders Judd Bagley. Remove it, Wikipedians.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gary_Weiss

Gary Weiss slanders Judd Bagley on the same page"

I sure wish that someone in a leadership position in Wikipedia or Wikimedia would publicly tell Gary Weiss that he's not welcome within 100-feet of Wikipedia, apologize to Judd Bagley and Patrick Byrne, and de-sysop the admins (we know who they are) who banned, insulted, hectored, and villianized Bagley and Byrne for so long, plus retaliated against editors who tried to look into it or who refused to condemn websites like this one which were publicizing the details of the story. Truly a dark chapter in Wikipedia's history, among many dark chapters.

That's the thing about these dubious characters who are trying to manipulate Wikipedia for their own, bad-faith ends. It all comes out eventually. Why don't they realize this? If it turns out that anyone was abusing oversight or checkuser to unfairly ban opposing editors, that will come out. If any arbs have ever tried to fix any cases unjustly, it will come out. Why don't they realize this?

They don't tell Andrew Morrow to GTFO.. they leave it to the community to do it, and you expect them to go after GW?

Hell, there are still many who IN GOOD FAITH aren't sure that GW WAS the person behind Mantanmoreland et all.

Plus there's that certain account where depending on the day, I'm either suspicious of, or fairly certain it's GW, come back again...

Although that, and another discussion that I've had with other admins has set in motion a little project of mine, that I've announced on my user page.

Byrne has chimed in on the El Reg's comments on this matter, among others. Metz's pieces even lately haven't been all positive towards Byrne, so don't mistake this for a "planted Bagley meme" like your idiot friend Guy Chapman does for anything that "attacks" Mantanmoreland. Like the New York Times or something.

Good reading:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/01/wi...rting/comments/

That is exactly what needs to happen. One small but quite meaningful step in that direction would be the unbanning of WordBomb. Not only does he remain banned, despite having been completely vindicated, but he was recently re-blocked with e-mail disabled by JzG for unclear reasons.

I agree with SirFozzie that you really cannot expect that from "the leadership", as they aren´t leading.. But besides that: Yeah, Wordbomb needs to be unblocked. So, Cla or Everyking (or SirF): why don´t you suggest it on AN?

I remember when I first went to the Gary Weiss article and hit the "edit" tab, after reading about the whole thing here and at Antisocialmedia.net. I had a feeling like Malone and Ness in The Untouchables where Malone tells Ness, "If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way. Because they're not gonna give up the fight." Sure enough, that feeling turned out to be true. Not everyone who shares culpability in this episode has been held fully accountable, of course, but at least the truth is coming out more and more, enough, I hope, for more people to make up their minds about what has actually happened in relation to this and who is responsble for allowing it to happen.

I would, as BLP vio, but I am staying away from JzG. Someone less involved on that front can do it.

I'm also supposed to stay away from JzG. Perhaps Judd could give his side of the story about why JzG took that action here?

It's very simple. Depressingly simple, really. It's all down to arrogance; because of that delusion that one can do no wrong, and that even one's turds smell sweet. Arrogance blinds people to reason, and in due time it also makes them oblivious to danger, leading to an inevitable downfall. Ancient Greek authors wrote plays and prose poems involving this very theme. They called it "hubris". It is truly one of the oldest stories ever told.

Stay gold, Cla. Stay gold.

Cheeez Whizzz. Youz Guyz probably look at the Bush Election Theft and say, "See, Duh System Works".

The fact is you only catch the dumber crooks and the slower speeders. How many encyclopedic houses will get robbed, how many good editors will get run off the road, never to return, before you tumble to what SlimVirgin et al. really are?

Any Abuse That Can Happen, Will Happen.

Any Abuse That Can Happen Again, Will Happen Again.

Jon

Unfortunately, that probably is true. I guess one of the ways to discourage the malfeasance from happening is to make the consequences severe enough to give pause to those who are thinking of committing the abuse. That seems to be the only way since these people don't appear to have any kind of internal ethics or morals that might help them stop themselves before engaging in the abuse.

Perhaps that's one reason I wish that the Foundation would publicly name (shame) people like Gary Weiss who abuse Wikipedia for their own, nefarious ends. Perhaps a threat to their reputation would give some people second thoughts. If that would have given Weiss second thoughts, though, I have no idea. Perhaps he could use the publicity since he needs it to try to sell his books.

Yes, "hubris" was the Greek word for narcissism- particularly the kind that comes with attainment of power in some system. Which is odd, because the legend of Narcissus was Greek too, but in that case was applied only to narcissism of the physical-looks variety. The one that comes with rise-to-power, as in our little WP MMORPG, is more the "hubris" type. It prizes one's own actions and opinions above all else. It's simply the inability to recognize that one is not perfect, and that other people are sometimes better, or more correct, than you are.

Somey has described it has having the symptom that it looks like the victim expects complete godlike control of their world, and is mentally stymied as to why they can't have it. Yep. One thinks of that wonderful scene in the film Being There after the Jerzy Kosinski novel, with Peter Sellers as Chauncy, the blank-brained TV-addicted passive boob. He's spent his whole life in a rich man's walled garden. When the man dies, he goes out into the world like Siddhārtha Gautama. There's one scene in which he's attacked by muggers and he tries to make them go away with a channel changer. That's SlimVirgin and the Crew. Having mastered and taken over WP, they cannot figure out why the wizard-magic rules that work in virtual-space of a computer program, don't extend to the world.

Hey, and Godhood was starting to feel so good!

The Big Catch there is that the Biggest Abuses are being committed by the Controlling Cabal. So if you're looking for someone to Hose Down the Custodians, you will have look outside the walls and grounds of the Wikipediot Ding-Dong Skool its own self.

Who You Gonna Call?

That Would be Us —

Jon

Any Abuse That Can Happen, Will Be Exposed.

Any Abuse That Can Happen Again, Will Be Exposed Again.

I realize that they damned near hanged you for noting that the press was likely to expose the abuse of IDCab. And we all know that sooner or later, unfettered and unchecked abuse will be noted and exposed, one way or another.

In other words, public exposure is an efficacious first step in arresting sociopathic behavior. If putting the public spotlight on a miscreant doesn't sunbleach their sins, then more therapeutic or prophylactic measures may be indicated.

Justice Delayed Is Justice Denied

Jon

After the events of this week, you should probably include a great many members of Congress and two presidential candidates in this indictment.



Actually, "hubris" was the Greek word for hubris. Narcisissim is a different concept altogether.

The story is now on the front page of Slashdot. Please offer your support.

Ditto Digg.

The Gary Weiss article jumped from 100 hits a day to over a 1,000 on October 6. Naked short selling's views also increased. The amount of vandalism to the articles, however, was surprisingly low.

No, not as the word narcissism is used today. It is excessive self-love, inability to admit error, and delusions of infinite power. Whereas the Greek hubris referred to overweening pride to the point of megalomania and a challenge to the Gods.

Bethany McClean joins the sphere of captured journalists populated by Gary and friends that Patrick Byrne has previously (somewhat infamously in bethany's case) has accused of being captured, and now has been shown by their own pens to be.

McClean is well-known as a journalistic champion in the Enron scandal. She also quit business journalism. Lot of that going around from folks who previously have been accused by Byrne of yellow journalism. The other guy in these emails recently quit the hedge fund business. Lot of that going around by hedge fund managers. Whether he's quit the on-line anonymous Byrne bashing is unknown.

enjoy.

Wordbomb is good. Very, very good:

http://www.deepcapture.com/bethany-mclean/




Greenberg quit "journalism" earlier this year. Boyd was NY Post reporter (lol) and is now working for bigger fish. I suspect those FFH vs SAC emails will change that. Byrne has been all over Boyd for years and he turns out to be right. Again. McLean is screwed. Whether Carol Remond, another favourite of Byrne, is mentioned in the emails is not specified in Judd's Deep piece.