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mike2222
Hi everyone with my first post. I tried piggy backing another thread but I couldn't find anything that matched my intended post. Sorry if I missed it.

A story for your guy's thoughts (pardon the length I just want it to be clear):

I am extremely disappointed by wikipedia. I'm a relatively new user (about a year or so). Ive written about 99% of one article, 50% on a dozen or so and minor edits on probably a hundred other pages. Silly me I thought to try and improve the site by taking a turn at stopping vandals. In doing what I always did over a period of weeks I made sure adequate warnings were always given to obvious vandals before notifying the admin vandal board. On one such page, an ip user was frequently testing message templates on an article. They were almost all incorrectly made and usually the same in all of his 10 edits. I was one of four registered users to undo his edits over a short period. Noticing only one warning on his talk page had been given, on my first undo I gave him a second, on my second undo his third and my third his fourth. The user undid it again with a similar nonconstructive edit so I did nothing further to his talk page or the article and ventured over to put a notice on the admin vandal board. I got a conflict edit post. As it turns out, the conflicting editor was someone placing my name on the same list for being a vandal! I didn't think much of it figuring it was a silly mistake the admin would catch. But then I got a block for what I later found out was the 3RR rule and my rollback privs stripped. I had no warnings at all on my talk page until later when the reporting user placed one there after I was already blocked. A little out of order. In an unblock request I said I was stopping vandals and this did nothing. Completely confused, after my block was over and after some reading on the rules, I began having fun (I'll admit it) seeing how best I could get a ban (without vandalizing cause I can't condone that) with the idea that vandals routinely get four warnings, vandalize again and never get a block. These warning edits of mine included "assume good faith" warnings on the admin that didn't undo my block and the person the placed my name on the vandal board to begin with. I even placed my own name on the vandal board for banning recommend twice biggrin.gif Unbanned and even more confused, I got a message from an admin telling me to let it go and stop acting like an idiot. Well idiot or not I wasn't about to be called one by an admin on a site based about supposed neutrality and civility. I reported his name calling as an incident knowing admin would only back him up and they did, however, I got an apology out of the same admin which is more than I ever expected. Back to what I was really concerned with was the block. I eventually found out that the same name calling admin is the same admin that wrote at least part of the very 3RR rule to begin with. Conflict of interest as far as I'm concerned. I found out that the rollback feature takes less bandwidth than regular undos so admin intentionally equips users originally with bandwidth clogging tools. Lastly, I found out written in this bogus 3RR rule that basically you can be not only blocked without warning with the 3RR but you don't even have to have broken it. What kind of absurd rule is that? That explains my block b/c I did not exceed three condecutive redos. As I write this now I just received a message from a different admin a day and a half later stating that perhaps the block was excessive, that the reviewing admin should have looked more closely at the records of my edits, that technically I didnt break the 3RR rule and if anything I should have been given a warning. Again a little out of order and late. So, I guess I thought Id submit for your guy's thoughts the admin name call (cheesy I know but an admin calling names?), the 3RR rule that you don't need to break to still break, the admin refusal to take back a block even in the face of irrefutable vandalism and my history of never having disputes with anyone and admin intentionally hoarding a tool that could save bandwidth. How much bogus blocking is being done?

Mike
seicer
Can you specify your account? I can take a look at it for you tonight, if you want.
gomi
QUOTE(mike2222 @ Thu 12th March 2009, 1:11pm) *
Hi everyone with my first post. <snip ... absurdly long story removed ...>

I found out ... you can be not only blocked without warning ... but you don't even have to have broken [3RR]. What kind of absurd rule is that? ... How much bogus blocking is being done?

Welcome to the Review!

To your last question: Essentially all of it. There are no true "rules" on Wikipedia, just the various ad hoc justifications the admin-class uses to lord over the proletariat. Your basic mistake here is taking Wikipedia seriously enough to be bothered by all of this. Mark you account "retired", open another one, and get on with giving your time away for nothing, or don't. But don't expect any kind of justice or even common sense to come out of Wikipedia's admins.
Guido den Broeder
Your story is a pretty common one, Mike. Fighting vandalism is often mistaken for disruption, and you run a great risk of getting blocked on WP if you follow the rules.
mike2222
QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Thu 12th March 2009, 3:28pm) *

Your story is a pretty common one, Mike. Fighting vandalism is often mistaken for disruption, and you run a great risk of getting blocked on WP if you follow the rules.


Alright well glad I'm not the only one. Whats funny is all the fun after testing to see what gets you banned didn't never got me banned again. Make sure you undo and warn four times but you'll get banned for undos three times. haha

Are there any other sites that are worth contributing to? I saw a conservapedia but it looks right leaning not neutral (if there is such a thing) and with very little article content.

Thanks,
Mike
Emperor
tl;dr

Mike, I feel your pain about the "rules". That's why I run my site like a dictatorship. Encyc. Feel free to stop by. Also try Wikademia. It's not a general interest encyclopedia, but more of a learning project. Looks interesting.
mike2222
QUOTE(Emperor @ Fri 13th March 2009, 6:14am) *

tl;dr

Mike, I feel your pain about the "rules". That's why I run my site like a dictatorship. Encyc. Feel free to stop by. Also try Wikademia. It's not a general interest encyclopedia, but more of a learning project. Looks interesting.


Wikademia... nice! I'm checking it out now

Yea I ended up with a couple admin half apologies and a third party admin questioning why I was blocked at all. I had fun with griping tho. I haven't been back to edit or upload pics since.

Great site thanks!
Guido den Broeder
QUOTE(mike2222 @ Fri 13th March 2009, 1:03am) *
Are there any other sites that are worth contributing to? I saw a conservapedia but it looks right leaning not neutral (if there is such a thing) and with very little article content.


You're welcome to join Wikisage, where IP's can't edit, or perhaps Citizendium is even more to your taste, where everyone is required to use their real name.
Newyorkbrad
QUOTE(seicer @ Thu 12th March 2009, 4:18pm) *

Can you specify your account? I can take a look at it for you tonight, if you want.

I'd also be glad to take a look at this situation if you would like, though possibly not until over the weekend.
mike2222
QUOTE(Newyorkbrad @ Wed 18th March 2009, 11:33am) *

QUOTE(seicer @ Thu 12th March 2009, 4:18pm) *

Can you specify your account? I can take a look at it for you tonight, if you want.

I'd also be glad to take a look at this situation if you would like, though possibly not until over the weekend.


User: Beantwo

I consider the whole thing done but in case you were curious.
Hipocrite
QUOTE(mike2222 @ Mon 6th April 2009, 5:04pm) *

QUOTE(Newyorkbrad @ Wed 18th March 2009, 11:33am) *

QUOTE(seicer @ Thu 12th March 2009, 4:18pm) *

Can you specify your account? I can take a look at it for you tonight, if you want.

I'd also be glad to take a look at this situation if you would like, though possibly not until over the weekend.


User: Beantwo

I consider the whole thing done but in case you were curious.



Reverts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=276459432
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=276458143
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=276457860

People who don't know what "vandalism" is are not supposed to have rollback. Adding article-space templates to an article isn't vandalism. Since you don't know what vandalism is, you're not supposed to have rollback.

But, you know, keep the self serving QQ going.
Obesity
QUOTE(mike2222 @ Thu 12th March 2009, 8:03pm) *

Are there any other sites that are worth contributing to? I saw a conservapedia but it looks right leaning not neutral (if there is such a thing) and with very little article content.

I love Conservapedia and heartily recommend that all my friends and enemies get an account there.

You will find the transparent, unabashed and clearly stated agenda/POV there refreshing, especially after discovering what a cruel joke/farce Wikipedia's "Neutrality" policy is.

People complain about all the "porn" and tacky illustrations on WP. On Conservapedia, we have the other extreme: you're not even allowed to hint at how babies are made, even if attempting to adhere to the most tasteful and educational tone.

And that Andrew Schlachsfchly character who runs things over there makes Jimbo look like the milquetoast that he is. Now there's a wikidictator with cajones and energy.

And I dare you to go ever there and try to use a British spelling. Those guys will fuck you up, and rightfully so. I mean, what country are we in, anyway?

Everything about that site delights me on infinite levels.

Regrettably, my sockpuppets and I are banned on Conservapedia, and I'm having a dilly of a pickle getting an admin to restore my editing rights.
Apathetic
THE LULZ...TEHY ARE EPIC
EricBarbour
QUOTE(Obesity @ Mon 6th April 2009, 12:02pm) *

Everything about that site delights me on infinite levels.
Regrettably, my sockpuppets and I are banned on Conservapedia, and I'm having a dilly of a pickle getting an admin to restore my editing rights.

Snappy.
lolwut
QUOTE(Obesity @ Mon 6th April 2009, 8:02pm) *

QUOTE(mike2222 @ Thu 12th March 2009, 8:03pm) *

Are there any other sites that are worth contributing to? I saw a conservapedia but it looks right leaning not neutral (if there is such a thing) and with very little article content.

I love Conservapedia and heartily recommend that all my friends and enemies get an account there.

You will find the transparent, unabashed and clearly stated agenda/POV there refreshing, especially after discovering what a cruel joke/farce Wikipedia's "Neutrality" policy is.

People complain about all the "porn" and tacky illustrations on WP. On Conservapedia, we have the other extreme: you're not even allowed to hint at how babies are made, even if attempting to adhere to the most tasteful and educational tone.

And that Andrew Schlachsfchly character who runs things over there makes Jimbo look like the milquetoast that he is. Now there's a wikidictator with cajones and energy.

And I dare you to go ever there and try to use a British spelling. Those guys will fuck you up, and rightfully so. I mean, what country are we in, anyway?

Everything about that site delights me on infinite levels.

Regrettably, my sockpuppets and I are banned on Conservapedia, and I'm having a dilly of a pickle getting an admin to restore my editing rights.


I've read it before, quite a few times. I think it is quite cool how strict they are in a way, especially in the way it contrasts with Wikipedia, but it'd definitely piss me off after just a very short time.

Also... America is not the world.

Oh shit, there's a line in that song that makes it obsolete...

But the best wiki of all... hell, the best website on the entire internet... people on this forum who know me will guess it in seconds. I may spend more time on the chans, Wikipedia and internet forums but the site I'm talking about is where it all comes together and nothing is sacred...

laugh.gif
Luís Henrique
QUOTE(Obesity @ Mon 6th April 2009, 4:02pm) *
I mean, what country are we in, anyway?


Internetland? Internetstan? Internetia? Das Internetreich?

Luís Henrique
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