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A Wikipedia page devoted to Roman Polanski was locked on Monday due to fighting over whether the entry should emphasize his accomplishments as a film-maker ...

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dtobias
Why is the rather routine act of Wikipedia temporarily protecting an article after an edit war worthy of such widespread news coverage?

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thekohser
QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th September 2009, 2:46pm) *

Why is the rather routine act of Wikipedia temporarily protecting an article after an edit war worthy of such widespread news coverage?


Because the media is still working under this misguided impression that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia.
CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th September 2009, 6:46pm) *

Why is the rather routine act of Wikipedia temporarily protecting an article after an edit war worthy of such widespread news coverage?

Personally I think the reporter just seized the opportunity to reprint portions of the following flame-bait on the article's talk page:
QUOTE

Polanski is a rapist. I don't care if every one of his films won him an Oscar. The fact that he is a rapist outweighs anything he has achieved in his cinematic career. The fact of his being a rapist ought to be the very first thing that the reader sees in the article. It is also important to highlight that he is a Polish-French rapist. Poland and France have for over three decades connived in his avoiding facing justice for his crime. Even today the foreign ministers of Poland and France have been hinting that they may attempt to obstruct the course of justice. If I were a Pole or a Frenchman I'd burn my passport. Hurrah for Switzerland. What do I want for Christmas? Polanski in an orange jumpsuit on the front page of The Times. --90.206.67.11 (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice edits too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316546876

No block yet and nothing on the talk page, what gives?
thekohser
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 28th September 2009, 3:29pm) *

Nice edits too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316546876

No block yet and nothing on the talk page, what gives?


If I had to guess, I would dare suggest that the IP address 90.206.67.11 (resolves to the United Kingdom) belongs to User:Oxonian2006 (see his second edit ever), whom I would dare say may be theologian Paul Fiddes, or at least someone obsessed with promoting his books.

This is also an interesting edit by Oxonian2006.
TungstenCarbide
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 28th September 2009, 7:29pm) *

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th September 2009, 6:46pm) *

Why is the rather routine act of Wikipedia temporarily protecting an article after an edit war worthy of such widespread news coverage?

Personally I think the reporter just seized the opportunity to reprint portions of the following flame-bait on the article's talk page:
QUOTE

Polanski is a rapist. I don't care if every one of his films won him an Oscar. The fact that he is a rapist outweighs anything he has achieved in his cinematic career. The fact of his being a rapist ought to be the very first thing that the reader sees in the article. It is also important to highlight that he is a Polish-French rapist. Poland and France have for over three decades connived in his avoiding facing justice for his crime. Even today the foreign ministers of Poland and France have been hinting that they may attempt to obstruct the course of justice. If I were a Pole or a Frenchman I'd burn my passport. Hurrah for Switzerland. What do I want for Christmas? Polanski in an orange jumpsuit on the front page of The Times. --90.206.67.11 (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice edits too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316546876

No block yet and nothing on the talk page, what gives?


I'm surprised he left out the relevant facts; thirteen year old plied with quaaludes and alcohol, taken into the bedroom, despite her pleading no, no, no and raped then anally sodomized, among other things. Then that animal has the gall to claim it was 'consensual'.

Polanski has major propaganda juice. Some of the articles in the main stream press paint him as the victim, the BBC is especially bad on this note.

Seriously, it unacceptable that Polanski has gotten a pass for the last thirty years for his despicable behavior.
the fieryangel
I wasn't planning on posting here again, but since nobody else has brought it up, are the categories for French sex offenders (Polanski is the only name listed) and the entire category sex scandal figures really necessary?

...Sheez, just when you think that it can't get any worse...
TungstenCarbide
QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 28th September 2009, 8:13pm) *

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 28th September 2009, 7:29pm) *

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th September 2009, 6:46pm) *

Why is the rather routine act of Wikipedia temporarily protecting an article after an edit war worthy of such widespread news coverage?

Personally I think the reporter just seized the opportunity to reprint portions of the following flame-bait on the article's talk page:
QUOTE

Polanski is a rapist. I don't care if every one of his films won him an Oscar. The fact that he is a rapist outweighs anything he has achieved in his cinematic career. The fact of his being a rapist ought to be the very first thing that the reader sees in the article. It is also important to highlight that he is a Polish-French rapist. Poland and France have for over three decades connived in his avoiding facing justice for his crime. Even today the foreign ministers of Poland and France have been hinting that they may attempt to obstruct the course of justice. If I were a Pole or a Frenchman I'd burn my passport. Hurrah for Switzerland. What do I want for Christmas? Polanski in an orange jumpsuit on the front page of The Times. --90.206.67.11 (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Nice edits too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=316546876

No block yet and nothing on the talk page, what gives?


I'm surprised he left out the relevant facts; thirteen year old plied with quaaludes and alcohol, taken into the bedroom, despite her pleading no, no, no and raped then anally sodomized, among other things. Then that animal has the gall to claim it was 'consensual'.

Polanski has major propaganda juice. Some of the articles in the main stream press paint him as the victim, the BBC is especially bad on this note.

Seriously, it unacceptable that Polanski has gotten a pass for the last thirty years for his despicable behavior.


Here's a pretty good blog post on this;

QUOTE
See, you or I might think that not going back to the U.S. or U.K. is an action Polanski took in order to make sure that, having raped a minor and fled the country, he would not be rearrested. But you or I would be wrong. In fact these are punishments that Polanski has suffered. But tiens, it was a long time ago. Puritanical Americans simply do not have the enlightened attitude toward wine at the dinner table, quaaludes, and child rape that the Europeans do. In Ireland, for instance, there are quite a number of seventy-odd year old men (and even older) who spent their youth ministering to children and raping them — some of their victims have been able to forgive them, and many want never to speak of those events again, so why all the legal fuss? Perhaps that’s a bad example. Ireland isn’t really a European country.


I can just see it now ... if Polanski gets a prison sentence every rabid social/political action group with too much time on its hands will be protesting the outrageous miscarriage of justice, proclaiming what a victim poor Roman is, much as they are currently doing with the 'hero' Jonathan Pollard.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 28th September 2009, 1:29pm) *


Personally I think the reporter just seized the opportunity to reprint portions of the following flame-bait on the article's talk page:
QUOTE

Polanski is a rapist. I don't care if every one of his films won him an Oscar. The fact that he is a rapist outweighs anything he has achieved in his cinematic career. The fact of his being a rapist ought to be the very first thing that the reader sees in the article. It is also important to highlight that he is a Polish-French rapist. Poland and France have for over three decades connived in his avoiding facing justice for his crime. Even today the foreign ministers of Poland and France have been hinting that they may attempt to obstruct the course of justice. If I were a Pole or a Frenchman I'd burn my passport. Hurrah for Switzerland. What do I want for Christmas? Polanski in an orange jumpsuit on the front page of The Times. --90.206.67.11 (talk) 19:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Mon 28th September 2009, 2:26pm) *



Here's a pretty good blog post on this;

QUOTE
See, you or I might think that not going back to the U.S. or U.K. is an action Polanski took in order to make sure that, having raped a minor and fled the country, he would not be rearrested. But you or I would be wrong. In fact these are punishments that Polanski has suffered. But tiens, it was a long time ago. Puritanical Americans simply do not have the enlightened attitude toward wine at the dinner table, quaaludes, and child rape that the Europeans do. In Ireland, for instance, there are quite a number of seventy-odd year old men (and even older) who spent their youth ministering to children and raping them — some of their victims have been able to forgive them, and many want never to speak of those events again, so why all the legal fuss? Perhaps that’s a bad example. Ireland isn’t really a European country.




Of course this is not about Europe or Ireland. The American Catholic church just went through the same thing. This will happen wherever people allow children to have special "helping positions" guided by adults in positions of trust in any institution thought to above reproach that does not implement measures to protect children from abuse. It might take years or decades to come to the fore, but it will happen. It can even happen on an American web site.
MBisanz
Hmm, why am I sufficiently gun-shy to not wade into another controversial BLP issue?

Oh right! I've learned my lesson about that kind of thing.
TungstenCarbide
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 29th September 2009, 1:56am) *
Of course this is not about Europe or Ireland.

Yes, I agree that blog post went off on a tangent, but one thing it got right was the spin - the "Outcry over Polanski's detention". I'm just dumbfounded that Polanski is being painted as a victim. There are people calling his arrest "not only a grotesque farce of justice, but also an immense cultural scandal". There was another quote that Polanski's been going to his Swiss ski chalet for years, living a life of luxury and fame, and wasn't arrested until now and therefore something devious and political must be going on. You just can't make this stuff up.
Casliber
Is there a way to combine newsfeeds on the same item? e.g. there is a Polanski thread from hte Bangkok Post and another from the virtual newspaper the Brisbane Times....
Moulton
The polarized views on this case signify a substantial socio-cultural divide regarding the role of violence in our culture. The part that people have trouble reckoning is state-sponsored violence, variously to promote or suppress political ideologies or to punish crimes as defined by various governmental entities. Hammurabism is not a particularly graceful or enlightened religion.
TungstenCarbide
QUOTE(Moulton @ Tue 29th September 2009, 11:45am) *

The polarized views on this case signify a substantial socio-cultural divide regarding the role of violence in our culture. The part that people have trouble reckoning is state-sponsored violence, variously to promote or suppress political ideologies or to punish crimes as defined by various governmental entities. Hammurabism is not a particularly graceful or enlightened religion.


I see it differently - this is just a guy who's gotten away a crime for thirty years because he's rich and connected. His arrest gives the Europeans an opportunity to insult us unsophisticated Americans. The spin is fabulous.

And yet a French poll finds that 70% feel Polanski has to answer for his crime, even after this massive deluge of media propaganda explaining what a victim poor Polanski is.

So I don't think this is a matter of the people having trouble reckoning, as you say Molton. I think this is a matter of the media being influenced and trying to influence on behalf of some rich connected guy.

Any person of average means would have had sever consequences for this crime, but Polanski got to live a life of luxury and fame. It's an insult not only to those who are law abiding, but to anyone who's made mistakes and had to live with the consequences, and most of all to the victims of sex crimes.
TungstenCarbide
QUOTE
The Polanski Case

Roman Polanski was arrested on Saturday at the Zurich airport on an American-issued warrant. But to hear the protests from the French, the Poles and other Europeans, you might have thought the filmmaker was seized by some totalitarian regime for speaking truth to power.

“Judicial lynching,” said Jack Lang, the former French culture minister. “Absolutely horrifying,” echoed the current French culture minister, Frédéric Mitterrand. “Provocation!” shouted Andrzej Wajda and other Polish filmmakers...

TungstenCarbide
QUOTE
Woody Allen on Roman Polanski? Really?

By Jo-Ann Armao

LOL. That was my first reaction at seeing Woody Allen’s name on the top of a petition demanding justice for director Roman Polanski. Here, after all, was one pervert using his supposed good name in defense of another: a little like Billy the Kid speaking up for Jesse James.

Cla68
QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 29th September 2009, 4:43pm) *

QUOTE(Moulton @ Tue 29th September 2009, 11:45am) *

The polarized views on this case signify a substantial socio-cultural divide regarding the role of violence in our culture. The part that people have trouble reckoning is state-sponsored violence, variously to promote or suppress political ideologies or to punish crimes as defined by various governmental entities. Hammurabism is not a particularly graceful or enlightened religion.


I see it differently - this is just a guy who's gotten away a crime for thirty years because he's rich and connected. His arrest gives the Europeans an opportunity to insult us unsophisticated Americans. The spin is fabulous.

And yet a French poll finds that 70% feel Polanski has to answer for his crime, even after this massive deluge of media propaganda explaining what a victim poor Polanski is.

So I don't think this is a matter of the people having trouble reckoning, as you say Molton. I think this is a matter of the media being influenced and trying to influence on behalf of some rich connected guy.

Any person of average means would have had sever consequences for this crime, but Polanski got to live a life of luxury and fame. It's an insult not only to those who are law abiding, but to anyone who's made mistakes and had to live with the consequences, and most of all to the victims of sex crimes.


I agree with Tungsten. The French political leadership is outraged because Polanski is a member of their group, the movers and shakers in popular culture and politics. The average citizenry know that if they did what Polanski did, in France, the US, Switzerland, etc, they wouldn't have been able to run away and hide in plain sight for 30 years.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 30th September 2009, 9:02pm) *

I agree with Tungsten. The French political leadership is outraged because Polanski is a member of their group, the movers and shakers in popular culture and politics. The average citizenry know that if they did what Polanski did, in France, the US, Switzerland, etc, they wouldn't have been able to run away and hide in plain sight for 30 years.

Indeed. If Polanski hadn't made The Pianist (oh, those bad, bad Nazis; I hadn't realized how bad they were; and comedy we get, too) and otherwise become a darling of the entertainment industry, he'd be hung out to dry. If you have the correct politics, you can always be forgiven some indiscreet act, unless maybe it's murder. Thus is it ever. Woody Allen!
Appleby
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 1st October 2009, 9:25pm) *

If you have the correct politics, you can always be forgiven some indiscreet act, unless maybe it's murder. Thus is it ever. Woody Allen!

What about Fatty Arbuckle?
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Appleby @ Thu 1st October 2009, 1:47pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 1st October 2009, 9:25pm) *

If you have the correct politics, you can always be forgiven some indiscreet act, unless maybe it's murder. Thus is it ever. Woody Allen!

What about Fatty Arbuckle?

They never forgave Fatty Arbuckle in the industry. And I'm amazed he didn't do time for manslaughter.
TungstenCarbide
Let's compare Plaxico Burress with Polanski ...

Burress accidentally shot himself in the foot as he dropped his gun in a nightclub. His concealed weapon permit had expired. The police were not called, but Burress turned himself in the next day after the media got involved. Mayor Bloomberg, fuming to the media, demanded that Burress be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law.

Burress had no criminal intent, no savagery, no premeditation, no predatory behavior, and he got two years in prison, for a couple of innocent mistakes with himself as the only victim.

Just imagine if it was Plaxico Burress charged with the same crimes as Polanski? What do think the reaction would be?
Noroton
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Thu 1st October 2009, 12:02am) *

I agree with Tungsten. The French political leadership is outraged because Polanski is a member of their group, the movers and shakers in popular culture and politics. The average citizenry know that if they did what Polanski did, in France, the US, Switzerland, etc, they wouldn't have been able to run away and hide in plain sight for 30 years.

Ah, but there's been a new development! This culture minister, Frederic Mitterand, seems to have a related history, according to the BBC:
QUOTE

In his 2005 book The Bad Life, he wrote: "I got into the habit of paying for boys," saying his attraction to young male prostitutes was not dimmed despite knowing "the sordid details of this traffic".

"All these rituals of the market for youths, the slave market excited me enormously... the abundance of very attractive and immediately available young boys put me in a state of desire."

Mr Mitterrand, 62, has denied being a paedophile, saying the term "boys" was used loosely.

In France, a guy who could write this can get to be culture minister in a center-right government. It makes you wonder how they vet their appointees. And don't the opposition parties invest enough into oppo research to catch a passage like that from a book the guy published a mere four years ago? I'm veering off topic even more, but this is just too rich.

Priceless:

QUOTE
A senior aide to President Sarkozy, Henri Guaino, on Thursday backed the minister, saying the row was "excessive and quite undignified".


TungstenCarbide
QUOTE
Los Angeles County prosecutors have met with a British actress who claims she was sexually abused by director Roman Polanski in his Paris apartment when she was 16 ... The alleged assault took place four years after Polanski had unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl in the U.S ... Charlotte Lewis, 42, said Friday that the filmmaker abused her "in the worst possible way" ...

Lewis said she came forward because she heard that Polanski was fighting extradition to the United States and "that his legal team is portraying his previous offense against a minor as an isolated instance." ... she doesn't plan any legal action right now, such as a lawsuit, but believes the allegations would be relevant when Polanski is sentenced.

in response;
QUOTE
Polanski's U.S. legal team said his attorneys had no information about the allegations that were made at the press conference "but we do know that our district attorney continues to refuse to provide the Swiss government with accurate and complete information relevant to the extradition issue."


I wonder how long Polanski can drag this out.
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