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Wikipedia really is the "first draft of history" and more than that, maybe a vital part of how our species is working together for the common good. ...

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Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Newsfeed @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 9:19pm) *

Craig Newmark (02 Dec 2009), “Wikipedia at a Turning Point”, Huffington Post

Wikipedia really is the "first draft of history" and more than that, maybe a vital part of how our species is working together for the common good. …


My Comment —

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Been there. Done that.

The only thing that will come out of the WMF's Strategic Planning Process is one Strategic Press Release after another.

— Jon Awbrey, 03 Dec 2009, 11:52 PM


The above blurb is mostly just a scraping from the following blogicle:

Barry Newstead of the Bridgespan Group (01 Dec 2009), “Wikipedia's Community Is at an Infection Point”, Harvard Business Blog

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Wikipedia is not so much the "first draft of history" as the cribbed book report that your dog ate.

Maybe when your reporters dig a little deeper than recycled press releases from the Wikimedia Foundation itself they'll have something to tell us that we didn't already know better than to believe 5 years ago.

It's a bumpy read, indeed, but you might try doing a little of the required homework at The Wikipedia Review.

— Jon Awbrey, 04 Dec 2009, 8:36 AM

EricBarbour
QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 8:28pm) *
The above blurb is mostly just a scraping from the following blogicle:
Barry Newstead of the Bridgespan Group (01 Dec 2009), “Wikipedia's Community Is at an Infection Point”, Harvard Business Blog

Uh....that should be "infLection point".

Yeah, it's infected, but still. tongue.gif
Kelly Martin
Here's the comment I wrote for the Harvard Business blog.
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The decline in the growth of Wikipedia's community is not because of increased rules and regulations, but instead the lack of them. Wikipedia's "marshmallow governance" means that in order to get much done, you have to spend ridiculous amounts of time mastering Wikipedia's profoundly complicated social system. If you fail to do this, there's a very good chance your authorial efforts will be in vain because someone else with better connections will simply wipe them, and you, off the map. Most of the people who might contribute to Wikipedia don't want to take the time to master the social system (or even realize they have to), so they end up with profoundly negative experiences early on in their short careers, and leave quickly as a result.

If Wikipedia had more firm rules, rules that could be learned in a short time, and that contributors could count on to be followed by everyone, then casual contributors (who, in general, are likely to be willing to work within the framework established by those rules) would be less likely to run into negative social experiences early in their careers.

However, Wikipedia is governed by people who not only do not particularly care either about the quality of the encyclopedia or the quality of the experience of casual editors, but in fact enjoy spending many hours of every day engaged in hideously complicated social maneuvering. For them, the intricate, twisty political game of manipulating others within the Wikipedia community is their hobby, and they are not going to give it up lightly. And since they have control, they don't have to.

The net result of all this is to limit the people who remain in Wikipedia to a handful of groups, which do not individually or collectively represent a meaningful cross-section of human culture or human knowledge. Wikipedia's content is thus biased both in selection (what gets written about) and in content (what is actually written) by the effects of the selection pressures that Wikipedia's community places upon its authors.

If Wikipedia wants to "move to the next level", it needs to resolve these problems. However, I have yet to see any significant degree of understanding among most of Wikipedia's significant personages that these problems exist (in fact, they are often touted as its greatest strengths).
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Fri 4th December 2009, 5:56pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 3rd December 2009, 8:28pm) *

The above blurb is mostly just a scraping from the following blogicle:

Barry Newstead of the Bridgespan Group (01 Dec 2009), “Wikipedia's Community Is at an Infection Point”, Harvard Business Blog


Uh … that should be "infLection point".

Yeah, it's infected, but still. tongue.gif


Oh dear, I misspelled a word … how do these things keep happening?

Jon evilgrin.gif
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Fri 4th December 2009, 6:37pm) *

Here's the comment I wrote for the Harvard Business blog.

QUOTE

The decline in the growth of Wikipedia's community is not because of increased rules and regulations, but instead the lack of them. Wikipedia's "marshmallow governance" means that in order to get much done, you have to spend ridiculous amounts of time mastering Wikipedia's profoundly complicated social system. If you fail to do this, there's a very good chance your authorial efforts will be in vain because someone else with better connections will simply wipe them, and you, off the map. Most of the people who might contribute to Wikipedia don't want to take the time to master the social system (or even realize they have to), so they end up with profoundly negative experiences early on in their short careers, and leave quickly as a result.

If Wikipedia had more firm rules, rules that could be learned in a short time, and that contributors could count on to be followed by everyone, then casual contributors (who, in general, are likely to be willing to work within the framework established by those rules) would be less likely to run into negative social experiences early in their careers.

However, Wikipedia is governed by people who not only do not particularly care either about the quality of the encyclopedia or the quality of the experience of casual editors, but in fact enjoy spending many hours of every day engaged in hideously complicated social maneuvering. For them, the intricate, twisty political game of manipulating others within the Wikipedia community is their hobby, and they are not going to give it up lightly. And since they have control, they don't have to.

The net result of all this is to limit the people who remain in Wikipedia to a handful of groups, which do not individually or collectively represent a meaningful cross-section of human culture or human knowledge. Wikipedia's content is thus biased both in selection (what gets written about) and in content (what is actually written) by the effects of the selection pressures that Wikipedia's community places upon its authors.

If Wikipedia wants to "move to the next level", it needs to resolve these problems. However, I have yet to see any significant degree of understanding among most of Wikipedia's significant personages that these problems exist (in fact, they are often touted as its greatest strengths).



Nice post. I'm glad someone still has the energy to write detailed rebuttals — it's all I can do to fire off the occasional nose-thumb of protest anymore.

But you really have to wonder how much of WMF's donation stash goes into buying the kind of hack press that dares to write — in the Year 2009 Going On 2010 — yet another gushful mushful fantasy piece about Wikipedia : The Next Step In Human Evolution.

Jon hrmph.gif

P.S. It took them 8 to 12 hours to post my comment, so good luck with that.
thekohser
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Fri 4th December 2009, 6:37pm) *

Here's the comment I wrote for the Harvard Business blog.
QUOTE
The decline in the growth of Wikipedia's community is not because of increased rules and regulations, but instead the lack of them. Wikipedia's "marshmallow governance" means that in order to get much done, you have to spend ridiculous amounts of time mastering Wikipedia's profoundly complicated social system.

<snip>



Looks like they still haven't posted your (or my) comment. I wonder if they're censoring discussion, or we just haven't reached their weekly "office hours" yet at Harvard.
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 6th December 2009, 9:02am) *

Looks like they still haven't posted [Kelly's] (or my) comment. I wonder if they're censoring discussion, or we just haven't reached their weekly "office hours" yet at Harvard.


I'm guessing that Harvard means Business on banker's hours — with 2 hour power lunches and unaccountable disapparations just before tee time.

Jon tongue.gif
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