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The Joy
Chamberlain-Hunt Academy (T-H-L-K-D)

This article has been bugging me for sometime. My primary concern is the discipline section which reads:

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According to the Cadet Handbook, each afternoon, the "Commandant's List" is read out, containing the names of cadets who have been reported for violations of rules. They are asked to report to the Commandant's office ("The Porch") to receive a paddling, described in the handbook as "CD" for Corporal Discipline.

CD is provided with an oak paddle in a formal daily ceremony at "The Porch" under the personal supervision of the Commandant or the Principal, who decides on the number of licks to be administered in each case; no maximum number is laid down. All cadets due to be spanked wait together on the front porch and are called into the office one by one. The cadet is told to turn around, bend over and grab the door frame, and his pants and boxers are then lowered just far enough to bare the target area. Next a very short prayer is said, and then the licks are delivered by a powerfully-built athletic member of staff. The "pants down" policy, once standard in many military schools but now unusual in America, adds to the deterrent effect of the punishment by providing a degree of embarrassment as well as serious pain, and also means that the paddling is fair and equal for everyone irrespective of how many pairs of underwear they may have put on. The spanking procedure is semi-private: it can be heard by others on the porch but is seen only in silhouette through the frosted glass of the office door.


Wikipedia cites a poem from a CHA alumnus as the source for the punishment, but I cannot find any sources either in the school's handbook or anywhere else. You would think that a school doing this sort of punishment would have a lot of stories about it, but I can't find any. I did find a spanking porn blog (which I shall not link to ermm.gif ) in which CHA alumni were asked about the punishment and they denied that's how it is done (there are paddlings, but nowhere near like what is described in the WP article). The only sources that I found that mention this punishment are mirrors or scraper sites of the Wikipedia article.

The article's primary editor is Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who's favorite subject area is corporal punishment and torture (see his contributions).

CHA may be what some would call a "crazy" Christian fundamentalist school, but they do not deserve to be libeled this way. At least, I am hoping that Wikipedia is wrong and these kinds of punishments are not going on there.
Somey
QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 11th December 2009, 8:42pm) *
The article's primary editor is Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who's favorite subject area is corporal punishment and torture (see his contributions).

That guy is rather disturbing, isn't he? This talk page section seems to give a quick idea of his general POV.

He seems to be one of those people who's very good at seeming reasonable and rational, flying the NPOV flag high, while he slowly but surely chips away at any efforts on WP to equate his personal interests with anything that society in general might consider objectionable - when in fact, most of society already does.

As for Chamberlain-Hunt Academy, if DeviantArt.com is now considered a "reliable source" for negative information about a school, can 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica be far behind?
Krimpet
QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 12th December 2009, 12:32am) *

As for Chamberlain-Hunt Academy, if DeviantArt.com is now considered a "reliable source" for negative information about a school, can 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica be far behind?

Even if it wasn't hosted on a website mostly dedicated to teenage girls tracing their favorite Japanese cartoon characters, poetry in general isn't a "reliable" source for anything. Robert Frost's "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening" isn't a good source for wintertime equestrian advice; Coleridge's "Kubla Khan" isn't going to verify any facts on the warlord's biography. Clearly the goal of this erstwhile poet and spankee was artistic, not factual.
The Joy
Thank you for your edits, Krimpet, but I wonder how long it will be before Alarics challenges you as he did to this IP's change? I think Alarics owns that article.
The Joy
Oh, and don't forget to deal with the mention of CHA on the paddle (spanking) (T-H-L-K-D) article.

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The paddle is the almost invariable implement in US schools that still allow corporal punishment for student misconduct. Typically, with two or more administrators present, the student is told to bend over a desk or chair and receives the prescribed number of strokes of the paddle, normally in an office, but sometimes in a hallway. In the vast majority of cases the punishment is delivered across the lower seat of the student's normal trousers or jeans; it would be unthinkable nowadays, in ordinary schools, for the student to be required to lower these, though that might have happened in some places in the past, especially by sports coaches. Nowadays, where sports coaches still spank, the offender will typically wear PE shorts and a jockstrap so that there is only only one thin layer of clothing between the paddle and the buttocks. "Pants-down" paddling used to be common some strict military boarding schools, and remains a possibility in a very few, such as Chamberlain-Hunt Academy in Mississippi.


Alarics added the "pants-down spanking" edit himself. He apparently owns the paddle (spanking) article as well.

What a disturbing person. wtf.gif

Edit: Oh, Alarics started the CHA article. ermm.gif
Krimpet
QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 12th December 2009, 2:49am) *

Thank you for your edits, Krimpet, but I wonder how long it will be before Alarics challenges you as he did to this IP's change? I think Alarics owns that article.

He's breaking the letter and spirit of Wikipedia guidelines any way you slice it, so keeping the article fixed shouldn't be a problem. Thanks for pointing the page out in the first place; dubious writing like this only survives because there's no eyes on it.
Cedric
Some other choice quotes from the Alarics-Approved™ version of the article:
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The school has advertised for students in the past under the slogan "We Love Boys; We Build Men".[4]

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The Porch at CHA is traditionally synonyous with getting licks. CHA President Jack West joked in the school's newsletter in 2008 that the new "Snack break" policy would not mean "getting brownies on The Porch instead of licks".[20]

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The emphasis on disciplinary spankings at Chamberlain-Hunt is a long-standing tradition. In 1951 a former Commandant of the school related that one cadet's mother had asked that her son be brought hot chocolate in the morning before getting up. The Commandant replied, "Madam, this is a military school, and if he doesn't get up when everyone else does, he will get something hot all right, but it won't be chocolate".[21]

Is it just me, or does this article smack of a treatment for a Michael Lucas film? wtf.gif
thekohser
QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sat 12th December 2009, 1:58am) *

Clearly the goal of this erstwhile poet and spankee was artistic, not factual.


Maybe a bitter holdout from the Wikia Spanking Art war?

QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sat 12th December 2009, 3:19am) *

...dubious writing like this only survives because there's no eyes on it.


Yeah, only about a thousand page views per month on a website that anyone can edit. I can see why garbage like this would "survive" so long in such a desolate corner of the world's sixth-most popular domain.

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Krimpet
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 12th December 2009, 12:44pm) *

Yeah, only about a thousand page views per month on a website that anyone can edit. I can see why garbage like this would "survive" so long in such a desolate corner of the world's sixth-most popular domain.

wacko.gif

Well, as seen above, IP editors tried to remove the creepy material from the article, but they got reverted. A humble reader might fix an article owned by a creepy fringe element, but they may not visit the article again to see that the creep reverted them, or they may see they were reverted and assume Wikipedia prefers the creepy version. Most would-be fixers - likely a large majority of those thousand viewers per month - probably have more interesting things to do with their time than delve into Wikipedia's bureaucratic morass to deal with an article owned by a problematic editor.
EricBarbour
Paging Mr. Horse!

I've got another freak for "the book", Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) !
He's into spanking and stuff......and he likes to edit school articles!

(And I might point out, he loves to edit articles dealing with Singapore.
Mebbe that's where he got his first caning?)
The Joy
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 12th December 2009, 7:19pm) *

Paging Mr. Horse!

I've got another freak for "the book", Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) !
He's into spanking and stuff......and he likes to edit school articles!

(And I might point out, he loves to edit articles dealing with Singapore.
Mebbe that's where he got his first caning?)


Yeah, it looks like he's into the spanking schoolboy thing. yak.gif hrmph.gif

I wonder how long it'll take before he notices this thread and goes insane on Krimpet and WR for "harassment" and "not wanting information to be free." rolleyes.gif
Trick cyclist
I found a spanking wiki (apparently the material from the old Wikia site reincarnated) and it has nothing on the Chamberlain-Hunt Academy. I think that makes it very likely it's a hoax.

http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/wiki/S...in-Hunt+Academy

http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/wiki/Wikia
Peter Damian
This reminds me of Arcarius, who has made many fine contributions to Spankopedia, including this strange one on garden furniture

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=109186122

Still there, although the picture is sadly removed.

Arcarius has a sock called Fastifex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fastifex . Are they related to Alaric, I wonder?

I suspect so

http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia (Fastifex)
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia (Alaric)
Krimpet
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 13th December 2009, 7:37am) *

This reminds me of Arcarius, who has made many fine contributions to Spankopedia, including this strange one on garden furniture

Ah, I remember Arcarius, and his obsession with sneaking an inane picture of frat boys' asses into the "Boy" article. I've no clue whether Arcarius and Alarics are one in the same or not - Arcarius appears to be Dutch, while Alarics is particularly obsessed with Singaporean topics - but their M.O. is certainly the same, and both should be dealt with the same way.
The Joy
QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sun 13th December 2009, 2:32pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 13th December 2009, 7:37am) *

This reminds me of Arcarius, who has made many fine contributions to Spankopedia, including this strange one on garden furniture

Ah, I remember Arcarius, and his obsession with sneaking an inane picture of frat boys' asses into the "Boy" article. I've no clue whether Arcarius and Alarics are one in the same or not - Arcarius appears to be Dutch, while Alarics is particularly obsessed with Singaporean topics - but their M.O. is certainly the same, and both should be dealt with the same way.


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Milton Roe
QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 13th December 2009, 3:31pm) *

QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sun 13th December 2009, 2:32pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sun 13th December 2009, 7:37am) *

This reminds me of Arcarius, who has made many fine contributions to Spankopedia, including this strange one on garden furniture

Ah, I remember Arcarius, and his obsession with sneaking an inane picture of frat boys' asses into the "Boy" article. I've no clue whether Arcarius and Alarics are one in the same or not - Arcarius appears to be Dutch, while Alarics is particularly obsessed with Singaporean topics - but their M.O. is certainly the same, and both should be dealt with the same way.


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mellow.gif Have Vader spank their bottom?

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Have somebody spank Vader's bottom?

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The Joy
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Sun 13th December 2009, 6:15am) *

I found a spanking wiki (apparently the material from the old Wikia site reincarnated) and it has nothing on the Chamberlain-Hunt Academy. I think that makes it very likely it's a hoax.

http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/wiki/S...in-Hunt+Academy

http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/wiki/Wikia


That's the spanking art wiki that was banished from Wikia after the Spanking Boy Scout scandal.

Unfortunately, a Spanish-version of the Spanking Art wiki has now returned to Wikia. I wonder how long it will last there? yak.gif
Krimpet
QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 13th December 2009, 9:53pm) *

Unfortunately, a Spanish-version of the Spanking Art wiki has now returned to Wikia. I wonder how long it will last there? yak.gif

Thankfully, it appears to be dead - all links heading from that page return the error "Not a valid Wikia." The main page only appears to be sticking around due to some sort of caching.
CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sun 13th December 2009, 12:10am) *

Well, as seen above, IP editors tried to remove the creepy material from the article, but they got reverted.

That's why routine semi-protection is the answer to everything, right? tongue.gif

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 12th December 2009, 2:42am) *

You would think that a school doing this sort of punishment would have a lot of stories about it, but I can't find any.

Actually this is commonplace in states which permit it, last I checked (which I'll admit wasn't so recent).
thekohser
QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sun 13th December 2009, 10:32pm) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 13th December 2009, 9:53pm) *

Unfortunately, a Spanish-version of the Spanking Art wiki has now returned to Wikia. I wonder how long it will last there? yak.gif

Thankfully, it appears to be dead - all links heading from that page return the error "Not a valid Wikia." The main page only appears to be sticking around due to some sort of caching.


Must have something to do with my e-mail to Gil and Jimbo, delivered around 8:36 PM Eastern. Heck, I gave them until Friday, close of business. I guess Gil didn't want to dither on his vacation this week.

For those who may go into withdrawal without their spanking resources on Wikia, there is this vignette devoted to Star Trek spanking.
The Joy
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sun 13th December 2009, 11:37pm) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 12th December 2009, 2:42am) *

You would think that a school doing this sort of punishment would have a lot of stories about it, but I can't find any.

Actually this is commonplace in states which permit it, last I checked (which I'll admit wasn't so recent).


In my research efforts to find out if CHA actually did it, I never found any testimonies from any CHA alumni about the pants-down paddling procedure (save one on a blog I mentioned earlier). I don't doubt Alarics's assertions about pants-down paddlings being common in the past and maybe some institutions still using it (though rare and I doubt I would find a school's website saying "We paddle students' bare bottoms" as the procedure would cause some alarm to the public and government). I did find some forums, blogs, etc. from parents etc. discussing about the procedure being done in their time and that some claim they do the same to their children today. dry.gif blink.gif
The Corpun website has even cited that Deviant Art poem as a reason for calling CHA a place where pants-down paddlings go on. Unbelievable as the site is run by a purported scholar! hrmph.gif

If there were a reliable source (preferably more than one, I would say) that backed Alarics's assertion that pants-down paddlings were and still are being used at CHA, I would not have brought the topic here. I would have found it very weird and wondered why the procedure hasn't received an outcry from people (no pun intended), but I would have had no reason to bring it up here. Even if CHA is, in my POV, a strange Christian Fundamentalist school, I believe in fairness and the Golden Rule. CHA's Wikipedia article, just like any institution's article, deserves to be treated with respect and fairness. Krimpet has saved it for now, but will it last?

Sadly, I noticed that the school is in rural Mississippi and I was not surprised that my Southern cousins from the Deep South Bible Belt would continue such a strange form of punishment. I have nothing against moderate corporal punishment done with the dignity and welfare of the child in mind, but the pants-down procedure goes too far. I wonder if they heard about Lee's surrender at Appomattox yet? Even Conservapedia admits that its over! Lay down your muskets and paddles!

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Sarcasticidealist
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 14th December 2009, 12:37am) *
That's why routine semi-protection is the answer to everything, right? tongue.gif
And the solution to news websites printing libels is to make them user-editable, right?
CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 14th December 2009, 5:47am) *

In my research efforts to find out if CHA actually did it, I never found any testimonies from any CHA alumni about the pants-down paddling procedure (save one on a blog I mentioned earlier).

The IP user was right to remove this detail absent a reliable source, but while I find it repugnant I also find it far from unbelievable.

One school I attended would whenever possible solicit two other individuals to hold the detained student's hands and feet while as principal approached with a big stick. I did get whacked a few times myself for petty things like skipping class or falling asleep, but dropping my drawers would have been a twist (no pun intended). I never bothered mentioning it to my parents as that would have required telling the rest of the story. While they weren't the type to consider suing anyone, I still didn't want them to embarrass me by pitching a fit about it.

Then I read about travesty of Ingraham v. Wright. I mean, the only "injuries" I suffered were psychological and temporary, but this boy Ingraham apparently required medical treatment and still had no case against the assailant. I don't see how this can be attributed to anything other than beat-your-children-well fundamentalist Christian influence upon school boards and judicial systems alike.
CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Sarcasticidealist @ Mon 14th December 2009, 5:58am) *

And the solution to news websites printing libels is to make them user-editable, right?

It might not be deemed practical in all cases but it would at least level the playing field. I see a problem with situations where the individuals adding the libel have write-access while those seeking to remove it do not (unless by some coincidence they have four days of previous unrelated editing experience).

I realize some news sites will have little discussion threads attached to the bottom of the articles but that's hardly the same thing, plus comments declaring that the above is a crock of shit tend to be moderated out of existence (I understand a handful of WR members have had recent experience with this trend). Same goes for talk-pages on WP.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sun 13th December 2009, 9:37pm) *

QUOTE(Krimpet @ Sun 13th December 2009, 12:10am) *

Well, as seen above, IP editors tried to remove the creepy material from the article, but they got reverted.

That's why routine semi-protection is the answer to everything, right? tongue.gif



The fact that IP's occasionally fix vandalism is not really an argument to not sprotecting everything except sandbox'y type grunge articles about knitting, plumbing, streetnames, cartoon characters and auto-tire types, that coulds be used to vet edits by those IP seeking registered "nameuser" status.

Most of us who've been on WP for years are convinced by experience that IP-editors do far more damage than good, and since there are no prospective randomized studies on the effect of semi-potection, we have every right to continue to demand at least that they be done. And to continue to ask that the idiot reactionaries quit pointing to retrospective studies of IP behavior on French language wikis, in order to to try to make an inductive conclusion regarding prospective behavior of IP high school editors from east Oakland, south-central L.A., south Chicago, east Brooklyn, and so on.
papaya
I've tried to help the article out a little by actually going to the source about what "physical" punishment entails. I am getting a bit annoyed at the urge to put every private school in the country in; these articles are vandalism magnets ("notable alumni: Bob the jackass").
The Joy
QUOTE(papaya @ Tue 15th December 2009, 7:50pm) *

I've tried to help the article out a little by actually going to the source about what "physical" punishment entails. I am getting a bit annoyed at the urge to put every private school in the country in; these articles are vandalism magnets ("notable alumni: Bob the jackass").


Minor typo, papaya. smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=331904691
Krimpet
QUOTE(papaya @ Tue 15th December 2009, 7:50pm) *

I've tried to help the article out a little by actually going to the source about what "physical" punishment entails. I am getting a bit annoyed at the urge to put every private school in the country in; these articles are vandalism magnets ("notable alumni: Bob the jackass").

Good catch with the misleadingly truncated quote. There's a world of difference between forced labor/exercise - what gym teacher hasn't asked a misbehaving student to "drop and give me twenty"? - and pants-down spanking.
The Joy
QUOTE(papaya @ Tue 15th December 2009, 7:50pm) *

I've tried to help the article out a little by actually going to the source about what "physical" punishment entails. I am getting a bit annoyed at the urge to put every private school in the country in; these articles are vandalism magnets ("notable alumni: Bob the jackass").


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=331993522

Looks like Alarics reverted your edit, papaya. dry.gif
tarantino
QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 12th December 2009, 5:32am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 11th December 2009, 8:42pm) *
The article's primary editor is Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who's favorite subject area is corporal punishment and torture (see his contributions).

That guy is rather disturbing, isn't he? This talk page section seems to give a quick idea of his general POV.


Alarics is Colin Farrell*, the proprietor of World Corporal Punishment Research. He's an old man who says he's been fascinated with the subject since he witnessed it in school as a child.



*No, he's not the same Colin Farrell who's not dating Lee Dennison.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(tarantino @ Wed 16th December 2009, 5:13pm) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 12th December 2009, 5:32am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 11th December 2009, 8:42pm) *
The article's primary editor is Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who's favorite subject area is corporal punishment and torture (see his contributions).

That guy is rather disturbing, isn't he? This talk page section seems to give a quick idea of his general POV.


Alarics is Colin Farrell*, the proprietor of World Corporal Punishment Research. He's an old man who says he's been fascinated with the subject since he witnessed it in school as a child.



*No, he's not the same Colin Farrell who's not dating Lee Dennison.


Alareiks was the Goth language name for Alaric I, the Visigoth guy who sacked Rome. Teh original Gothic Romance smile.gif . Plenty of corporal punishment for all.
The Joy
QUOTE(tarantino @ Wed 16th December 2009, 7:13pm) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 12th December 2009, 5:32am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Fri 11th December 2009, 8:42pm) *
The article's primary editor is Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who's favorite subject area is corporal punishment and torture (see his contributions).

That guy is rather disturbing, isn't he? This talk page section seems to give a quick idea of his general POV.


Alarics is Colin Farrell*, the proprietor of World Corporal Punishment Research. He's an old man who says he's been fascinated with the subject since he witnessed it in school as a child.



*No, he's not the same Colin Farrell who's not dating Lee Dennison.


Thank you, tarantino. I never would have guessed him. He edited under 62.205.117.233 (T-C-L-K-R-D) before being challenged on his edits. See some of his arguments here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Corporal...shment/Archive2

I thought he actually was a scholar on corporal punishment and not some nut? I guess we know the answer now.
Trick cyclist
QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 17th December 2009, 1:25am) *

I thought he actually was a scholar on corporal punishment and not some nut? I guess we know the answer now.

So he's a nutty scholar on corporal punishment?
Sarcasticidealist
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Mon 14th December 2009, 3:20pm) *
I see a problem with situations where the individuals adding the libel have write-access while those seeking to remove it do not (unless by some coincidence they have four days of previous unrelated editing experience).
Yes. And I see far more problems with the far more abundant cases where the individuals adding the libel have write-access and there is nobody seeking to remove it. Perfect, enemy of good, etc., etc., etc...
The Joy
Grrr. Alarics is restoring information without reliable sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332394535

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Major offences

A pupil found in possession of a lighter is presumed to be intending to smoke even though no cigarettes are found. Possession of playing cards or betting with monetary incentives are considered gambling. Students who commit these and other major offences, such as smoking or truancy, are given corporal punishment (strokes of the cane). In serious cases, the caning may be administered in front of all the other students.


True or not, this kind of statement needs a good source. Alarics completely disregards any thought of his actions causing problems for real institutions and people (not to mention breaking Wikipedia's "reliable sources" and "verifiability" rules).

Can't you administrators get him for this? He's going to keep doing this until someone stops him.
The Joy
See Alarics (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

See Alarics add potentially libelous information with no sources to a high school's article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332331405

See an IP editor wisely remove potentially libelous information with no sources to a high school's article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332394535

See Alarics restore the potentially libelous information with no sources to a high school's article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332995594

See the high school's administration and school's reputation get hurt by the potentially libelous information with no sources to the high school's article. Also, see in the future Wikipedia get sued the living crap out of by the school and Wikipedia's reputation being further tarnished.

Understand ye yet, or what? angry.gif
The Joy
Ah, now we see that Alarics does indeed own (WP:OWN) the Chamberlain-Hunt Academy article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333152125
Wikicrusher2
Here's an early edit by Mr. Farrell to the article about User:Chenzw's secondary school. I would say that his interests are rather odd, and his views on corporal punishment are even more disturbing. Such a person should not be allowed to edit articles on corporal punishment; despite his characterization of his views on the topic as unbiased, the section on his talkpage that Somey linked to earlier in this thread demonstrates that this is not the case.
The Joy
Well, I would like to extend a Happy Holidays, salutations, and thank you to all the IP editors, Krimpet, and even JzG for standing up against Alarics and his potentially libelous edits. Alas, nothing seems to get through to him and he will continue his campaign until he is blocked or unable to edit Wikipedia in real life.

IP editor's reasonable removal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=332973552

Alarics's unreasonable revert and links from his own website (corpun.com) to the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333926774

Isn't he violating WP:COI by doing this? He's using his own website his sole source for his references. dry.gif

It is depressing to watch someone like Alarics continue to do what he is doing and the damage is he is causing for people. His detachment from reality is just like most Wikipedians and he could care less about writing a true, pure encyclopedia that actually has ethics and cares about avoiding libelous or potentially libelous information about people.
The Joy
Alarics speaks!

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I think if you look closer you'll find I haven't been spamming corpun.com on Wikipedia. Many of the links to that site were put there by others, not by me. (I have myself REMOVED references to corpun.com put there by other editors, when I know there is a more direct citation available.) I only cite it when there is no other source for that item. In the great majority of cases those are respectable news items not otherwise available on line (bear in mind that the great majority of corpun.com consists of a huge archive of historical press articles) -- "convenience links" I think they are called in WP. Those surely are reliable sources, unless you are suggesting that they have been made up. I think someone who takes a few minutes to explore the site, and reads its "About this site" page, will see that it is not the sort of site that makes things up. The relatively few bits of corpun.com that use anecdotal sources (not RS in WP terms) make clear that that is all they are, and I would never cite those on WP. Likewise, any opinion is clearly separated from fact, just as with a good newspaper.
As for Wikipedia Review, it seems to be an anti-Wikipedia site that hates everybody on here, interprets everything in the worst possible light, and assumes bad faith at all times. Its tone is hysterical and abusive, and it jumps to all sorts of conclusions. Most of what they say about me and my edits is incorrect. Everybody makes a mistake occasionally, but I think my overall editing record, if anyone has the time and energy to go through it in detail, will stand scrutiny. I am quite happy to discuss any individual instances that people have problems with.
On the substantive issue, I have never on WP pushed a particular POV on corporal punishment and include both pro- and anti- points of view when opinions are discussed, though most is neutral factual material. To come back to Paddle (spanking), the only inline reference citing corpun.com now is to the "list of handbooks of schools which say themselves that they use the paddle" pages, which is just a list of external links that, as I said before, do turn out, when you click on them, so be what they say they are. So I cannot see how that is an unreliable source or in any way partisan. No such list is available anywhere else, as far as I know. -- Alarics (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334482669


He's been drinking the Wikipedia Kool-Aid and he's a liar. He does own the corporal punishment articles and has slowly edit warred with others who have disagreed with him.

Now the question is, how will Wikipedia deal with him?
Alarics
QUOTE(The Joy @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:45am) *

Alarics speaks!

[...] He's been drinking the Wikipedia Kool-Aid and he's a liar. He does own the corporal punishment articles and has slowly edit warred with others who have disagreed with him.

Now the question is, how will Wikipedia deal with him?



I wasn't going to bother to come on here, but I am not going to stand idly by while people accuse me of being a liar. There are no lies in what I wrote. There are no lies in anything I have ever written. I don't do lying.

You really don't do your case any good by throwing wild, unsubstantiated libels around. If you think something I have written is untrue, specify it and we can discuss it.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying I "own the corporal punishment articles". I was a prime mover, with the agreement of other editors, in reorganising them because they were previously an incoherent mess. I started "school corporal punishment" and "corporal punishment in the home" and "judicial corporal punishment" as spin-offs from "corporal punishment". I did not write anything like all the text. Much of it already existed. Naturally I do not claim any proprietorial rights over these articles. If anything User:Gabbe watches them more closely than I do. He introduced the corporal punishment template, which has helped create an identity for a linked family of sites. I cannot see that there is anything wrong with any of this. It has all been entirely transparent. Nobody has ever objected before.

All editors get into disagreements with others occasionally, but I have not engaged in any sustained edit-warring. I have never broken the 3RR rule.

Kindly desist from your personal attacks.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:20pm) *
There are no lies in anything I have ever written. I don't do lying.


Okay, then be honest with us -- if you came home and found Newyorkbrad in your bathroom, luxuriating in a lavender-aloe bubble bath while singing aloud the score of "Camelot," how would you react? ermm.gif

(Things like this do happen, trust me.)
Alarics
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 29th December 2009, 6:38pm) *

QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:20pm) *
There are no lies in anything I have ever written. I don't do lying.


Okay, then be honest with us -- if you came home and found Newyorkbrad in your bathroom, luxuriating in a lavender-aloe bubble bath while singing aloud the score of "Camelot," how would you react? ermm.gif

(Things like this do happen, trust me.)


Sorry but I have no idea what you are talking about. I've never heard of Newyorkbrad. But if I came home and found *anybody* in my bathroom, I should call the police.
Lar
QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:20pm) *


All editors get into disagreements with others occasionally, but I have not engaged in any sustained edit-warring. I have never broken the 3RR rule.

Kindly desist from your personal attacks.


A couple of points:
  1. 3RR is a bright line, not an entitlement and not breaking it isn't the same thing as never edit warring
  2. This isn't Wikipedia and WP:NPA doesn't apply

Hope that helps. Because if you don't keep that second point in mind you tend to get flambe'ed here. Me, I'm glad you turned up to talk about this matter... you may want to review the whole thread.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:06pm) *
Me, I'm glad you turned up to talk about this matter...


Thanks, Lar. I love participating in these discussions. evilgrin.gif


QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:00pm) *
I've never heard of Newyorkbrad.


You never heard of Newyorkbrad? Have you been living under a rock? blink.gif
Cedric
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:19pm) *

QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:00pm) *
I've never heard of Newyorkbrad.


You never heard of Newyorkbrad? Have you been living under a rock? blink.gif

Not necessarily. It is probably because Brad has no interest in BDSM, and accordingly is not a part of that "community". Sometimes being "boring" is good, or at least, just as well.
Alarics
QUOTE(Cedric @ Tue 29th December 2009, 7:39pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:19pm) *

QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:00pm) *
I've never heard of Newyorkbrad.


You never heard of Newyorkbrad? Have you been living under a rock? blink.gif

Not necessarily. It is probably because Brad has no interest in BDSM, and accordingly is not a part of that "community". Sometimes being "boring" is good, or at least, just as well.


I also have no interest in BDSM. That's nothing atall to do with the matter in hand.

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th December 2009, 7:06pm) *

[*]This isn't Wikipedia and WP:NPA doesn't apply
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Hope that helps. Because if you don't keep that second point in mind you tend to get flambe'ed here. Me, I'm glad you turned up to talk about this matter... you may want to review the whole thread.


I know this isn't Wikipedia, but a modicum of civility would not come amiss in any setting. And by the way, I have already read this whole thread, much of which is unreasonable and rather absurd, as I have already noted on WP under Talk: Paddle (spanking). You, incidentally, have not replied to my request on that page that you provide evidence for your assertion that I have been "reverted by a large number of respected editors". You ought to withdraw that, as requested by User:Redvers.
Achromatic
QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:22pm) *

QUOTE(Cedric @ Tue 29th December 2009, 7:39pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:19pm) *

QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 2:00pm) *
I've never heard of Newyorkbrad.


You never heard of Newyorkbrad? Have you been living under a rock? blink.gif

Not necessarily. It is probably because Brad has no interest in BDSM, and accordingly is not a part of that "community". Sometimes being "boring" is good, or at least, just as well.


I also have no interest in BDSM. That's nothing atall to do with the matter in hand.


Forgive Cedric, he doesn't understand the nuances of that whole subculture. That Corporal Punishment fetishists fervently deny interest in BDSM, despite the "D" of Discipline, that "Goreans" fervently deny interest in BDSM, that everyone likes to pretend /their/ particular kinks and fetishes are altogether pure, highbrow, good, and rational, and fear losing some semblance of self or identity by "merely" being lumped into an overarching category.
The Joy
QUOTE(Alarics @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:20pm) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Tue 29th December 2009, 1:45am) *

Alarics speaks!

[...] He's been drinking the Wikipedia Kool-Aid and he's a liar. He does own the corporal punishment articles and has slowly edit warred with others who have disagreed with him.

Now the question is, how will Wikipedia deal with him?



I wasn't going to bother to come on here, but I am not going to stand idly by while people accuse me of being a liar. There are no lies in what I wrote. There are no lies in anything I have ever written. I don't do lying.

You really don't do your case any good by throwing wild, unsubstantiated libels around. If you think something I have written is untrue, specify it and we can discuss it.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying I "own the corporal punishment articles". I was a prime mover, with the agreement of other editors, in reorganising them because they were previously an incoherent mess. I started "school corporal punishment" and "corporal punishment in the home" and "judicial corporal punishment" as spin-offs from "corporal punishment". I did not write anything like all the text. Much of it already existed. Naturally I do not claim any proprietorial rights over these articles. If anything User:Gabbe watches them more closely than I do. He introduced the corporal punishment template, which has helped create an identity for a linked family of sites. I cannot see that there is anything wrong with any of this. It has all been entirely transparent. Nobody has ever objected before.

All editors get into disagreements with others occasionally, but I have not engaged in any sustained edit-warring. I have never broken the 3RR rule.

Kindly desist from your personal attacks.


Wikipedia rules do not apply here. Wikipedia Review is an independent forum separate from Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation and maintained by Wikipedia critics.

Are you or are you not Colin Farrell of corpun.com? Are you a noted scholar on corporal punishment? Where's your curriculum vita if you are?

You are obsessed with including details of corporal punishment on several school institutions like Chamberlain-Hunt Academy and not bothering to put any reliable sources to substantiate your potentially libelous claims. I don't give a care if something is "common in the rural South" or "common in Singapore." In academia, any statement that makes someone look at and go "Really?" requires the author to provide evidence. You are not doing so. You have not been doing so. Why do the details of if and how a school spanks its students even necessary in an encyclopedia? I'll give you the answer: it is not.

You've been warned by long-time good editors, Fran Rogers (Krimpet here) and Lar (Lar here) as well as good faith IP editors about your edits and you have dismissed and reverted them. Your dismissive attitude and arrogant manner is no different than most Wikipedians. You have no idea what real world implications your edits can cause for these institutions, do you?
The Joy
Also, why is it that Wikipedia and corpun.com are the only sites I can find that stated (corpun.com still states it) that CHA does pants-down paddlings and a poem on Deviant Art is the only "reliable source" backing this information? Why did you add this information, especially without sources?

As I stated earlier in this thread, you would think that if something like that was still occurring in 2009 that there would be more media and public notice.
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