I have had a few encounters with an admin named Cirt who struck me as really territorial about certain articles. Curious, I did a Google search "Cirt wikipedia" and came up with several threads on this board. After having read them and I am shocked at the history of this editor and left wondering how someone like this can be an adminstrator.
Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?
Full Version: What is Cirt's Deal?
Probably just someone who is living off of unearned income (trust fund, settlement annuity, inheritance, or some sort of public pension). We see a lot of that on Wikipedia: socially marginal individuals who are not required to work due to their circumstances, and who fill their otherwise meaningless lives with social maneuvering in the WikiSphere. Many of them have deeply held, often strange, belief systems which they use Wikipedia to express.
Not that this necessarily describes Cirt. But it might.
Not that this necessarily describes Cirt. But it might.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm) 
I have had a few encounters with an admin named Cirt who struck me as really territorial about certain articles. Curious, I did a Google search "Cirt wikipedia" and came up with several threads on this board. After having read them and I am shocked at the history of this editor and left wondering how someone like this can be an adminstrator.
You can blame Durova, who pushed this horrible editor to adminship. And blame the "community" for giving adminship to someone who was blocked seven times under a number of different account names (and that only came out while the RfA was in progress!).
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm)
Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?
Compared to Blofeld, Cirt is a slacker.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm)
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
Paid, perhaps. More than one person, no.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm)
Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?
No, they usually award barnstars for such behavior.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:06pm)
Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?
It's kinda hard to become an admin if you edit less than that.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:06pm)
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
Doesn't Wikipedia have rules against this kind of thing?
No, I never have. It's fairly normal on Wikipedia. And no, no rules. As the horse said, it's encouraged in the form of barnstars and adminship is the grand prize.
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:09pm)
Probably just someone who is living off of unearned income (trust fund, settlement annuity, inheritance, or some sort of public pension). We see a lot of that on Wikipedia: socially marginal individuals who are not required to work due to their circumstances, and who fill their otherwise meaningless lives with social maneuvering in the WikiSphere. Many of them have deeply held, often strange, belief systems which they use Wikipedia to express.
Not that this necessarily describes Cirt. But it might.
I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0
Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:29pm)
I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0
Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?
Uh, what's wrong with that?
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:24pm)
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm)
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
Paid, perhaps. More than one person, no.
Do you think someone would create something as promotional as [[Corbin Fisher]] for free? And that's not a rhetorical question - I really don't know.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:06am)
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
It looks like you've been trying to add things to the List of new religious movements (T-H-L-K-D), but Mr. Cirt (T-C-L-K-R-D) has been resisting these due to his apparent belief that groups he considers to be cults should not be treated as "religious movements"?
Presumably Mr. Cirt's bad-faith assumption is that you're trying to promote one such group in particular, and adding numerous groups to the list in order to cover for it... That actually does work sometimes, but if that is indeed what you're doing, it's usually best to make all your additions in one edit, with carefully-checked formatting and citations (i.e., no mistakes) - it reduces the likelihood of immediate reversion.
QUOTE(Nerd @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:32pm)
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:29pm)
I think it totally describes Cirt. Look at this edit count and thier most popular topics: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/topedits/i...irt&namespace=0
Why has this person been made an admin with that kind of histor?
Uh, what's wrong with that?
I guest what I think is wrong is that they can have such an obsesive agenda driven behavior and still be in a position to block people.
Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia
They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:48pm)
I guest what I think is wrong is that they can have such an obsesive agenda driven behavior and still be in a position to block people.
Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia
They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.
I am surprised Cirt hasn't run for Arbcom yet. I suspect that he's fat enough for the job, if all he does is sit around playing on Wikipedia.
Say, does anyone know who Cirt is off-Wiki?
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:44pm)
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:06am)
Given the number of hours Cirt edits and their anti-cult agenda, has anyone ever been suspicious that they are paid, or that the account is used by more than one person?
It looks like you've been trying to add things to the List of new religious movements (T-H-L-K-D), but Mr. Cirt (T-C-L-K-R-D) has been resisting these due to his apparent belief that groups he considers to be cults should not be treated as "religious movements"?
Presumably Mr. Cirt's bad-faith assumption is that you're trying to promote one such group in particular, and adding numerous groups to the list in order to cover for it... That actually does work sometimes, but if that is indeed what you're doing, it's usually best to make all your additions in one edit, with carefully-checked formatting and citations (i.e., no mistakes) - it reduces the likelihood of immediate reversion.
I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups. Now I am shocked at what Cirt is able to get away with.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:56pm)
I don't have a horse in that race.
What am I, chopped liver?
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:48pm)
Look at how active they are.
http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/count/inde...&wiki=wikipedia
They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.
Sorry, I don't follow. How does that mean they have abused adminship? Admins are meant to do that sort of thing.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:56am)
I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups.
Well, bear in mind that the standard Wikipedian reaction to that will be "that's what they all say," and that Cirt might well be doing the same thing himself - either promoting a favored group or targeting an unfavored one, by lumping it in with others that are in some way similar. Someone who does this himself/herself is much more likely to notice and suspect others of doing the same thing, often without even realizing it, and often non-justifiably.
The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 1:49pm)
The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
Take a look at the articles that Cirt created: http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pages/inde...cts=noredirects
It appears that Mr. Cirt is a journalist or publicist or both. The average Wikipediot would not create articles about the Sunday Magazine Editors Association, Portland Monthly, and the San Jose Mercury News West Magazine. I suspect he is doing PR work for Corbin Fisher and the lady who wrote the bacon book -- the writing is too complex and sophisticated for the average hobbyist.
Ditto articles such as Leaving Springfield, The Official Razzie Movie Guide and Twisted Scriptures. My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 1:18pm)
My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.
So is the anti-cult activity a cover for the PR work, then? I'm not saying the anti-cult activity is bad, of course - quite to the contrary - but if I were a publicist and wanted to gain the trust of the WP community, knowing their general dislike of other cults, that would be at or near the top of my list for ways to gain a reputation among them.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 2:25pm)
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 1:18pm)
My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.
So is the anti-cult activity a cover for the PR work, then? I'm not saying the anti-cult activity is bad, of course - quite to the contrary - but if I were a publicist and wanted to gain the trust of the WP community, knowing their general dislike of other cults, that would be at or near the top of my list for ways to gain a reputation among them.
I suspect the anti-cult stuff is Cirt's own obsession. If he was just focused on that, then he would be yet another OCD case using Wikipedia in order to vent his frustrations.
In reading his articles, it is obvious that Cirt is a professional writer. The articles are much too polished for an amateur site, and there are tricks in his writing that any fellow pen-pusher will immediately recognize.
Cirt doesn't need the trust of the WP "community" -- he gamed the system via Durova and he has what he needs in the way of tools. But I will wager he is not on WP because of the community -- he is obviously getting paid to ensure those articles get online and stay there.
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 7:18pm)
My cash goes into the bet that Cirt is being well-paid to get Wikipedia coverage for these diverse and fairly obscure books.
Kinda looks that way doesn't it? Let me know if anyone takes your bet.
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 1:37pm)
In reading his articles, it is obvious that Cirt is a professional writer. The articles are much too polished for an amateur site, and there are tricks in his writing that any fellow pen-pusher will immediately recognize.
Agreed; these articles definitely go beyond mere fandom. But my initial point still stands: Everything really does taste better with bacon, no matter how you slice it. (I prefer thick-cut, myself!)
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:49pm)
Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
Bacon!
Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Bacon! Wherrrrrrrrrre?!
I can't reeeeeeeeead!
Cirt is something of a jerk. He even argued with an editor that had a "Semi-Retired" tag on his userpage that that was not appropriate. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=330482628
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=330482628
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:51pm)
Say, does anyone know who Cirt is off-Wiki?
I heard this might be his mom, mowing her lawn.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 1:49pm)
you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
Amen, brother.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 2:43pm)
Agreed; these articles definitely go beyond mere fandom. But my initial point still stands: Everything really does taste better with bacon, no matter how you slice it. (I prefer thick-cut, myself!)
Thank the good Lord for Baconnaise and Baconnaise Lite.
This article confirms that Cirt is being paid to promote people on Wikipedia -- it is an utterly absurd subject (an ex-military type and one-time school board officer who is running for the California state senate), but it is written so vigorously and with such depth that it goes completely beyond the fanboy hobbyist writing that makes up most of WP's BLPs. The article is up for AfD, with the nominator clearly seeing through the charade.
And perhaps one of his clients is WMF? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Rights
And perhaps one of his clients is WMF? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Rights
QUOTE(Krimpet @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 8:57pm)
Thank the good Lord for Baconnaise and Baconnaise Lite.
Contains no actual bacon. â“ŠD
You're missing most of the story. He's active all over the place.
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Cirt
Commons: Admin
Wikinews: Checkuser
Wikiquote: Sysop
Wikisource: Sysop
http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=Cirt
Commons: Admin
Wikinews: Checkuser
Wikiquote: Sysop
Wikisource: Sysop
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:37pm)
Cirt doesn't need the trust of the WP "community" -- he gamed the system via Durova and he has what he needs in the way of tools. But I will wager he is not on WP because of the community -- he is obviously getting paid to ensure those articles get online and stay there.
A shame that Durova's finely honed linguistic skills don't extend to finely honed conflict of interest sensing skills.
After Mercury and Cirt, I don't think I'd trust Ms. Armor All to manage personnel at a hot dog stand.
I love the attitude here "He writes too well on vague things. He MUST be paid to do so..."
How about proof, or at least pointing at to what PoV he's writing to?
Or is that an unnecessary step these days?
How about proof, or at least pointing at to what PoV he's writing to?
Or is that an unnecessary step these days?
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:40pm)
I love the attitude here "He writes too well on vague things. He MUST be paid to do so..."
How about proof, or at least pointing at to what PoV he's writing to?
Or is that an unnecessary step these days?
The article I mentioned -- [[Corbin Fisher]] -- caught my attention not because it was well-written, but because it was a complete puff piece, padded out with tangents and trivia. The only other editors are two IPs, one of whom likely either is or works for [[Marc Randazza]].
I wasn't sure about the paid editing from that article, but with the links Horsey provided, I am now pretty well sold. This isn't WP and, since we all know there is no penalty for paid editing, I'm not going to raise the issue there. I have enough evidence to form an opinion, which is the only step I'm taking here.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 6:49pm)
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:56am)
I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups.
Well, bear in mind that the standard Wikipedian reaction to that will be "that's what they all say," and that Cirt might well be doing the same thing himself - either promoting a favored group or targeting an unfavored one, by lumping it in with others that are in some way similar. Someone who does this himself/herself is much more likely to notice and suspect others of doing the same thing, often without even realizing it, and often non-justifiably.
The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
I had no idea this was such a rabbit hole....... Do rabbits eat bacon?
QUOTE(Random832 @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:06pm)
Contains no actual bacon. â“ŠD
Well, to get my pork fix at the same time, I personally follow Jon Stewart's lead and use it as a dip for Pancakes n' Sausage on a Stick.
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 6:40pm)
I love the attitude here "He writes too well on vague things. He MUST be paid to do so..."
How about proof, or at least pointing at to what PoV he's writing to?
Or is that an unnecessary step these days?
First, be able to see your feet -- then you can see the facts.
Several of Cirt's articles relate to media awards. I've been in the media 25 years and anyone who has been around as long as me will recognize these have no cred beyond those who may have a first person attachment to these laurels. Only a media professional would be aware of these awards and want to write about them.
No person outside of the media would even know this group exists. I suspect Cirt is a long standing member of this group.
The PR puffery is too obvious in some cases. This did not organically arise out of the pressing need for an encyclopedia article about a school board officer who decided to run in 2010 for the California state senate. This consists of references to 12-year-old articles -- no person outside of the campaign would waste their time hunting up such old references to bolster what is basically an advertisement for an ambitious small time politician seeking a local office.
Corbin Fisher got a DYK that cited the gay porno company's health benefits and 401(k) plan. No encyclopedic coverage would dig that deep (there is nothing unusual about a company offering health benefits or a 401(k). Nor would anyone highlight that for DYK tribute -- especially when the real story that would entice the average Net reader is the studio's attempt to cash in on Levi Johnston's 15 minutes of fame -- unless an attempt is being made to spin the company's cred.
Cirt repeatedly uses critics' reviews as a means to push credibility. That is stretched to the fraying point here -- getting critical confirmation from the Syracuse Post-Standard? The funny thing is that Cirt intentionally plays down the one thing Hurlbut is famous for -- being the recipient of Christian Bale's scatological tirade from earlier this year. That is not an accident -- I suspect Hurlbut engaged Cirt to write the article, since downplaying that high-profile event makes Bale look good (and there is no reason to do that, unless you want to shoot Bale's next films).
I can go on and on, but it is fairly obvious that these articles are the result of a professional writer/publicist. It reminds me of the Abbott and Costello exchange in their dice routine:
Costello: Did I do something wrong?
Abbott: No, you did something too right!
Well, well. It's about time someone ran afoul of Cirt and started asking questions.....
Everything said above is essentially correct: he (she?) 's an asshole, he's a consummate Wiki-player, he loves to fight with people and toss the banhammer, and he's long been suspected of editing for pay--except by Durova and the other oldtimers who protect him. Primarily because he's had his nose buried deeply up Durova's ass for the last 2 years. Plus, sucking up to other manic editors during their RFAs (including East 718, GlassCobra, John Carter, and furry-freak Tony Fox). Because he supported these mutants at RFA, they support him in disputes.
According to the record, he first appeared on Sept. 22, 2007, and gained adminship Sept. 15, 2008. Note the rabid way in which the Witch protects his precious identity.
Oh, and: he's been suspected of being a Scientologist, because of his aggressive pwnage of Hubbard-related articles....despite claiming otherwise and otherwise pushing an anti-Scientology line. His obsession with Battlefield Earth is truly bizarre.
Even weirder: he's been suspected of being Werner Erhard.....eh, maybe he's just a graduate of one of Erhard's courses?
In case you're wondering: it's impossible to do research on-wiki about Cirt's identity, as he has deleted and oversighted the early history of his userpage. But you will find this and this interesting.
So, he was previously called Smee (back to May 2006), then before that Smeelgova (whose edit history is lost) and Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (also lost). All notorious for 3RR battles over Scientology articles.
Conclusion? You can be an unpleasant, abusive, corrupt Wikipedian.
Just suck up to powerful admins first, and you'll get away with it.
Everything said above is essentially correct: he (she?) 's an asshole, he's a consummate Wiki-player, he loves to fight with people and toss the banhammer, and he's long been suspected of editing for pay--except by Durova and the other oldtimers who protect him. Primarily because he's had his nose buried deeply up Durova's ass for the last 2 years. Plus, sucking up to other manic editors during their RFAs (including East 718, GlassCobra, John Carter, and furry-freak Tony Fox). Because he supported these mutants at RFA, they support him in disputes.
According to the record, he first appeared on Sept. 22, 2007, and gained adminship Sept. 15, 2008. Note the rabid way in which the Witch protects his precious identity.
Oh, and: he's been suspected of being a Scientologist, because of his aggressive pwnage of Hubbard-related articles....despite claiming otherwise and otherwise pushing an anti-Scientology line. His obsession with Battlefield Earth is truly bizarre.
Even weirder: he's been suspected of being Werner Erhard.....eh, maybe he's just a graduate of one of Erhard's courses?
In case you're wondering: it's impossible to do research on-wiki about Cirt's identity, as he has deleted and oversighted the early history of his userpage. But you will find this and this interesting.
So, he was previously called Smee (back to May 2006), then before that Smeelgova (whose edit history is lost) and Curt Wilhelm VonSavage (also lost). All notorious for 3RR battles over Scientology articles.
Conclusion? You can be an unpleasant, abusive, corrupt Wikipedian.
Just suck up to powerful admins first, and you'll get away with it.
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 3:44am)
QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 6:40pm)
I love the attitude here "He writes too well on vague things. He MUST be paid to do so..."
How about proof, or at least pointing at to what PoV he's writing to?
Or is that an unnecessary step these days?
First, be able to see your feet -- then you can see the facts.
As long as someone is following the rules, paid editing is fine. In fact, I say more power to them. If Cirt is the first editor to make a living editing Wikipedia, perhaps he/she should be interviewed by anyone who happens to be working on a book about Wikipedia?
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 12:06pm)
Cirt edits more than 18 hours a day and 7 days a week to boot. How can anyone do that?
Good heavens ... the Barton is right.
I know within the madness that is the Whackopedia this sounds ridiculous but not-for-profits DO have legal responsibilities towards their voluntary workers equivalent to commercial companies, as I affirmed in the topic on the exploitation of Children on the Wikipedia and relating to Child Protection.
I saw cases of this myself with editors, such as the rabid anti-Japanese Korean Caspian blue (T-C-L-K-R-D) . In that case there are grounds to suspect the account was the facade for a team, e.g. the anti-Japanese Korean cyber activists, unfortunately called VANK. The question is not just how they can edit for 18 hours ... but how they can account for the research time too?
I could imagine that anything within the religious cult area, pro or con, would encourage similar ventures.
For the record, Caspian blue is STILL going on about the Japanese ... and this is for those you that suggest calling them Kimchi warriors is racist ... Onigiri.
Here is an average 12 hour day ... And he was still going at 08:49, 23 December 2009, another 12 hour shift.
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09:19, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion/New religious movements work group ‎ (→Twelve Tribes (New religious movement): fmt header)
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08:44, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) User talk:AustralianRupert ‎ (→Thank you: new section)
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01:12, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Silva Entertainment ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
01:12, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbarian Brothers ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
01:12, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RazorCMS ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
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01:11, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Artur Åaciak ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
01:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dana Kaparova ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete)
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01:08, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:Landmark Education ‎ (→Adding Course Content Section: cmt) (top)
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00:47, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:United States Naval Gunfire Support debate ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United States Naval Gunfire Support debate closed as keep)
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00:47, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Obooko ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
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00:46, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rlap ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
00:46, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Urimajalu ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
00:44, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:Scientology status by country ‎ (→Wiki Arb Comment: ce) (top)
00:44, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:Scientology status by country ‎ (→Wiki Arb Comment: re)
00:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alex Daniel ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
00:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:Deacons (law firm) ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deacons (law firm) closed as keep) (top)
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00:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cat and Dog (comic) ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
00:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Complicit ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Complicit closed as keep) (top)
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00:10, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yitzhak Goldstein ‎ (Closing debate, result was delete) (top)
00:05, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) User talk:Cirt ‎ (Undid revision 333149905 by 38.109.88.194 (talk) remove sarcastic comments from IP)
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23:22, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:The Official Razzie Movie Guide ‎ (→Removed from article, per GA Review: new section) (top)
23:21, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) The Official Razzie Movie Guide ‎ (per GA Review)
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20:24, 22 December 2009 (hist | diff) Talk:List of Unification Church members ‎ (→Remove "Former members"?: re)
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And in his defence, he did keep the topic on Nazi UFOs.
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 2:41am)
Even weirder: he's been suspected of being Werner Erhard.....eh, maybe he's just a graduate of one of Erhard's courses?
Being Erhard would explain his knowledge of the media industry and its awards, based on Erhard's career at Parents Magazine. No one outside of the media could possibly know about the topics Cirt is writing on.
It would also explain the absurd surplus of time that he has in playing on Wikipedia -- being a retired senior, he would have plenty of time to kill.
But that doesn't quite explain the blatant PR pieces for the California state senate candidate, the obscure cinematographer, the crummy books, unless...
...Barton is half-right -- there is more than one person involved with the Cirt account.
I have a theory. There is a single person in control of the writing of the Cirt account -- anyone trained in analyzing writing styles can spot that immediately. However, it might make sense if someone else (another individual or an agency) is doing the PR for the politician, cinematographer and the authors and they are hiring Cirt (Erhard?) to write up these articles.
Erhard has seven children. Are any of them involved in PR?
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 1:52pm)
I have a theory. There is a single person in control of the writing of the Cirt account -- anyone trained in analyzing writing styles can spot that immediately. However, it might make sense if someone else (another individual or an agency) is doing the PR for the politician, cinematographer and the authors and they are hiring Cirt (Erhard?) to write up these articles.
Erhard has seven children. Are any of them involved in PR?
I suspect that some of his children don't work for him, you know, after the incestuous rape allegations and all...
Hey, I've got to say any editor who basically single-handedly gets a Wikinews article to this point is probably okay in my book.
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 7:41am)
Oh, and: he's been suspected of being a Scientologist, because of his aggressive pwnage of Hubbard-related articles....despite claiming otherwise and otherwise pushing an anti-Scientology line. His obsession with Battlefield Earth is truly bizarre.
Even weirder: he's been suspected of being Werner Erhard.
Eh? He's vehemently anti-Sci, but now he tries to edit in the way he's been advised to do, and more impartially now he has more wiki-experince, hence he even bans anti-Scis.
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 5:48pm)
They have blocked editors more than 4000 times and deleted over 8000 pages. I think that is abuse of the position of Adminship.
Wow, you're an idiot. It's even possible that some of your criticism is valid, but when you say blatantly stupid things like this, it will tend to make people not listen to you.
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:49am)
QUOTE(rockyBarton @ Tue 22nd December 2009, 11:56am)
I don't have a horse in that race. I was at first facinated with the wierdness of some of the groups then I became facinated with the Witchhunt mentality of the people who are against the groups.
Well, bear in mind that the standard Wikipedian reaction to that will be "that's what they all say," and that Cirt might well be doing the same thing himself - either promoting a favored group or targeting an unfavored one, by lumping it in with others that are in some way similar. Someone who does this himself/herself is much more likely to notice and suspect others of doing the same thing, often without even realizing it, and often non-justifiably.
The Corbin Fisher (T-H-L-K-D) article is more concerning, but it was posted this month (Dec. 2009), whereas he was made an admin well over a year ago (mid-September 2008). It's possible that he was approached by (or started working for) Corbin Fisher recently, but otherwise we'd probably have to assume that he would have created the article a long time ago if he were a vested employee or principal. Either way, it's dicey - that appears to be the only new gay-porn-related article he's created, and if you get past the gay-porn aspect, you could make a similar CoI claim about his Everything Tastes Better with Bacon (T-H-L-K-D) article, for example - it's basically an advertisement. But obviously, while you can certainly object to the promotion of gay porn on moral grounds, you can't deny the basic fact that everything does, indeed, taste better with bacon.
Agree about the bacon. If somebody creates a gay porn article that pretty much suggests they are gay, no? Same with somebody who creates the article on George ("Sulu") Takai's autobiography, which is sort of about his coming out of the Jeffries Tube, if you will. There's also a lot of correlation with Cirt's interest in Tom Cruise and his being in the closet (he's edited that South Park "Stuck in the Closet" episode). All of which ties in with Project Chanology, hatred of cults in general and Scientology in particular. Less COI than I thought, but a big interest in cults, gayness, being in the closet, films, and razzberry bad films. Also paranoia of biowarfare.
So we know something about Cirt's personality, but this really tells us little about who he is. "Smee" is of course Capt. Hook's lovable pirate mate in Peter Pan, which again is a perfect identifier for the guy Cirt apparently is. A Peter Pan lovable pirate-- does it get gayer?
If Curt has had much experience with being gay and closeted, handwashing and fear of germs, with cults and organized religion, we can expect him to have covered his tracks as well as anybody, since he's had lots of practice.
As for his being in the pay of somebody, I'm not seeing it that clearly. The books Twisted Scriptures and the one on the Razzberrry Awards are in his interest area, as is anything related to bioterrorism (which again ties into cults like the Rajneeshees, and also with the biowarfare theme in Battlefield Earth, back to an obscession with Tom Cruise, and so on and so on).
I would bet money this guy is not Werner Erhard. That idea is laughable.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
If somebody creates a gay porn article that pretty much suggests they are gay, no?
If the article is along the lines of a Shankbone-Benji "yum yum" droolfest, yes. But the Corbin Fisher article is written as a business piece, not the Wiki equivalent of a wet dream. Why mention the health care and 401(k) aspects of the Fisher operation? No one who is interested in hot guys would even think of throwing that into a profile of a beefcake factory.
We may find it hard to fathom, but many people not associated with our funhouse actually takes Wikipedia seriously -- to the point of viewing articles on a person, company or topic to be a validation that it is, indeed, notable. The Fisher piece is conceived as a PR work, not a celebration of boy-meets-boy.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
So we know something about Cirt's personality, but this really tells us little about who he is. "Smee" is of course Capt. Hook's lovable pirate mate in Peter Pan, which again is a perfect identifier for the guy Cirt apparently is. A Peter Pan lovable pirate-- does it get gayer?
There is nothing gay about Smee or the pirates in "Peter Pan" -- don't confuse the Disney cartoon or the Mary Martin show with the original source. Smee is an old man character -- most gay men would not want to be associated with the notion of being a senior.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
As for his being in the pay of somebody, I'm not seeing it that clearly. The books Twisted Scriptures and the one on the Razzberrry Awards are in his interest area, as is anything related to bioterrorism (which again ties into cults like the Rajneeshees, and also with the biowarfare theme in Battlefield Earth, back to an obscession with Tom Cruise, and so on and so on).
Some of Cirt's articles are, obviously, based on his own personal interests and don't fit into the pattern. That is to be expected from someone who appears to live and breathe Wikipedia.
But, at the same time, some articles just don't make sense at all -- the California state senate candidate, the Portland theater group, the obscure books, etc.
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
I would bet money this guy is not Werner Erhard. That idea is laughable.
I disagree. I think that theory would solve at least 75% of the puzzle -- it is the other 25% (the obvious paid article creation) that remains hazy.
QUOTE(Friday @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
It's even possible that some of your criticism is valid, but when you say blatantly stupid things like this, it will tend to make people not listen to you.
How much do you weigh?
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 6:22pm)
QUOTE(Friday @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
...but when you say blatantly stupid things... it will tend to make people not listen to you.
How much do you weigh?
QUOTE(Nerd @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 1:36pm)
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 6:22pm)
QUOTE(Friday @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
...but when you say blatantly stupid things... it will tend to make people not listen to you.
How much do you weigh?
I am glad that you got the joke. You can take the rest of the day off now.
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:22pm)
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 12:44pm)
I would bet money this guy is not Werner Erhard. That idea is laughable.
I disagree. I think that theory would solve at least 75% of the puzzle -- it is the other 25% (the obvious paid article creation) that remains hazy.That he's actually Werner Erhard himself? That's ridiculous - even if most of his est-related edits weren't anti-Erhard, the last thing that guy would be doing these days is editing Wikipedia articles about other cults. Anyway, there are lots and lots and lots of people who have it in for cults and cult leaders in general.
Anyway, there's a legitimate argument to be made that this guy might be the target of real-world retaliation by come of these cult people if he's identified, so if anyone should happen to find out who he is, please, don't post it publicly - even if he is running an edit-for-pay service. I realize this might further suggest he's using the anti-cult activity to deflect attention from the possibility that he's editing for pay, but even if he is, some of these cults are dangerous. Some even more dangerous than the Wikipedia cult, at least to individuals who cross them.
Oh, I forgot to add: Cirt was suspected of being Erhard, because he has engaged in so much anti-Scientology editing, and because he used a name that Erhard used at one time as a pseudonym (Curt Wilhelm VonSavage).
I doubt that Cirt is Erhard, but I would not be surprised to find out that he had taken EST or Forum training, or one of its even-scarier offshoots, like Lifespring. You wanna talk about scary cults? Lifespring makes the Scientologists look like amateurs.
It must suck to start out as a mere salesman of self-help courses, and then be hailed as a "cultural icon of the 1970s". And then be harassed by customer lawsuits, partner lawsuits, and the IRS.
Erhard wasn't so much a bizarre figure himself, as he was a magnet for bizarre people.......
I doubt that Cirt is Erhard, but I would not be surprised to find out that he had taken EST or Forum training, or one of its even-scarier offshoots, like Lifespring. You wanna talk about scary cults? Lifespring makes the Scientologists look like amateurs.
It must suck to start out as a mere salesman of self-help courses, and then be hailed as a "cultural icon of the 1970s". And then be harassed by customer lawsuits, partner lawsuits, and the IRS.
Erhard wasn't so much a bizarre figure himself, as he was a magnet for bizarre people.......
QUOTE(Somey @ Wed 23rd December 2009, 8:32pm)
Anyway, there's a legitimate argument to be made that this guy might be the target of real-world retaliation by come of these cult people if he's identified, so if anyone should happen to find out who he is, please, don't post it publicly - even if he is running an edit-for-pay service.
Wasn't that the argument Durova made in his RfA?
In all seriousness, Cirt did a smashing job covering his tracks. But we should thank him for leaving such juicy clues!
QUOTE(Somey @ Thu 24th December 2009, 1:32am)
Anyway, there's a legitimate argument to be made that this guy might be the target of real-world retaliation by come of these cult people if he's identified, so if anyone should happen to find out who he is, please, don't post it publicly.
I quite agree that it's wrong to post people's real names publicly here if they haven't disclosed them. Of course, the WMF must know who he is because he's a checkuser on Wikinews. Also, something I missed before, Wikinews for some reason has its own ArbCom and he's a member of that too. Does that make him a public figure by Wikilogic?
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th December 2009, 6:44am)
Wasn't that the argument Durova made in his RfA?
The exact quote from Durova was, "some of Cirt’s contributions are to controversial topics. It is darn near guaranteed that an editor who writes about Scientology and related subjects will step on some toes, no matter how polite he is..."
...which is true, more or less. All I'm saying is that he's on the side of the angels as far as the Scientologists are concerned, no offense to anyone here who might be a Scientologist. (OK, maybe a little offense.) Even if his only goal in involving himself in that topic area was to provide cover for freelance-publicist work, you have to respect the amount of effort that went into it, not to mention the cojones (relatively speaking - it's still just the internet, after all).
QUOTE(Trick cyclist @ Thu 24th December 2009, 11:47am)
Of course, the WMF must know who he is because he's a checkuser on Wikinews. Also, something I missed before, Wikinews for some reason has its own ArbCom and he's a member of that too. Does that make him a public figure by Wikilogic?
Maybe, with the usual disclaimers about limited context, no-legal-protections and what-not... I agree that someone who displays a distinct POV on cult-related topics has no business being a CheckUser, if we grant that IP addresses are better at telling you about a person's cult affiliations than they are at most things (due to the fact that some cults pursue their online activities within walled compounds that use shared IP's).
So they really should take that "bit" away from him IMO, but given that WP is a cult in itself, I can see why they'd want anti-cult guys in those positions - other cults are basically competition for WP, and Web 2.0 is a highly competitive environment to begin with. But of course, that's another interesting thing about WP - it functions and even operates as a cult, but it's more effective than most at convincing their members they're not in a cult at all, and indeed there are aspects of it (such as the ease by which you can quit, without physical or financial consequences) that they can point to in order to "prove" that it isn't a cult. And yet it has everything else - the ideology, the charismatic leader, the "single mad belief," the organizational hierarchy, the "inner circle" with secret knowledge and privileges, the love-bombing and other forms of psychological binding... the list goes on. You'd think it would be hard for an anti-cult person to reconcile these things, but there must be something about the non-physical nature of it all that makes it OK for them.
All quite fascinating.
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