Quote from Guy:



From: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...sourcing_issues

He has a point, though unintentionally funny given that it comes from the man with a penchant for unnaturally large mammaries, a small group of people appear to believe that 2 bit porn performers who will never ever become household names have a lasting place in history.

It's no secret that WP:PORNBIO is one of the worst parts of the current notability guidelines. Quoted here, for posterity:

#3 is currently up for debate, and looks likely to go. #1 has to be next. The independence of some of these awards is especially flimsy.

I have never been sure why Wikipedia doesn't require subjects to meet the general notability guideline even if they meet the more specific one. If they can't even meet the former, how on earth do you get anything more than a stub about the article?

"Notability" is just a fancy wiki word for "interest from publishers." Are you really going to argue that there's little interest in porn?

Because it's fucked, young man.

It's screwed, hosed, damaged, perverted, twisted, denatured, diluted, gnarled, whatever adjective you want to invent, it's not on. The Arbcom is corrupt and incompetent, Jimbo is a pathological liar and a flake, Sue and Mike are toadying up to him and his "friends" at Google and at nonprofits who fund the WMF in order to maintain their six-figure salaries, and the ranks of admins are full of raving, lying, manipulating, POV-pushing crackpots and hostile teenaged boys. The "policies" and "guidelines" are enforced and obeyed selectively and inconsistently. And you're directly involved in the corrupt system, by spending inordinate amounts of time chasing sockpuppets. (Have you written any decent articles lately? I just looked at your userlog, and it's full of reversions and "You have been blocked indefinitely" statements. If you're looking to effect change from within, this isn't going to change anything.)

I like it better as "notability means that people cared enough to write more than a few sentences about these individuals".



No. The last article that I wrote that was longer than couple sentence stub must have been six or seven months ago now (Nikita Zotov). I think I have done a fair job with cleaning up and deleting awful ones though.

And I have to say, I was mightily impressed with how long you could string out that rant.

Well, if you are in gay porn, you won't go very far if all you have to offer is "a stub."