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Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia created by anonymous editors, has reacted to disclosures in The Cutting Edge News that three of its ...



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chrisoff
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Wikipedia Blocks Fred The Oyster And Challenges Blaxthos On Holocaust Entries


That article is fascinating. I had no clue.
Kelly Martin
It amuses me for some reason that Wikipedia forces people to write serious articles about people known only by names like "Fred the Oyster" and "WebHamster".
Ottava
How was this newsworthy? I'm sure there are more notable people who were blocked.
Kelly Martin
QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:12pm) *
How was this newsworthy? I'm sure there are more notable people who were blocked.
News flash: nobody in the big bad world cares who is or is not blocked from editing Wikipedia.
chrisoff
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How was this newsworthy? I'm sure there are more notable people who were blocked.


What is interesting is the reason he was blocked. All I heard on Wikipedia was that he was unfairly blocked by a block-happy admin. So I now know there was more to the story. And it shows me how Wikipedia works, information that I don't learn from being there.
Ottava
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 10:22pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:12pm) *
How was this newsworthy? I'm sure there are more notable people who were blocked.
News flash: nobody in the big bad world cares who is or is not blocked from editing Wikipedia.


Well, isn't the fact that this article exists suggest you are wrong?

So, back to the point: if someone had the time to write this article, why didn't they pick one of the hundreds of academics and professors who were blocked?
Kelly Martin
QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:32pm) *
Well, isn't the fact that this article exists suggest you are wrong?
That Fred the Oyster was blocked is, in and of itself, of no concern to anyone whatsoever. That some unidentified party was attempting to manipulate content in Wikipedia to favor a particular point of view is what is of interest to the author of this article, and that only because the organization he represents seeks to forward a different, incompatible point of view. Note that the article in question was originally written for the Cutting Edge News, which has a very obvious pro-Jewish editorial bias.

This is just another example of Wikipedia being used as an ideological battleground.
Ottava
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 10:42pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:32pm) *
Well, isn't the fact that this article exists suggest you are wrong?
That Fred the Oyster was blocked is, in and of itself, of no concern to anyone whatsoever. That some unidentified party was attempting to manipulate content in Wikipedia to favor a particular point of view is what is of interest to the author of this article, and that only because the organization he represents seeks to forward a different, incompatible point of view. Note that the article in question was originally written for the Cutting Edge News, which has a very obvious pro-Jewish editorial bias.

This is just another example of Wikipedia being used as an ideological battleground.


I don't really see much evidence that Fred was part of any organization, or really any real details on any such connection. I see a flippant statement about weasels and ferrets, but nothing about the rest.

By the way, from your link:

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The Cutting Edge brings together some of the biggest names in enterprise and investigative journalism and advocacy journalism, as well as the leading published thinkers of our day, bringing you the insights and news you will not get elsewhere. Here you will read the unfettered words of:

* Edwin Black, award-winning New York Times bestselling investigative author, known for IBM and the Holocaust and many other award-winning works.


First one on the list. It would show why they are so edgy.
Kelly Martin
QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:32pm) *
So, back to the point: if someone had the time to write this article, why didn't they pick one of the hundreds of academics and professors who were blocked?
Because none of them were attempting to deny the Holocaust. Duh.
Ottava
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 10:47pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 5:32pm) *
So, back to the point: if someone had the time to write this article, why didn't they pick one of the hundreds of academics and professors who were blocked?
Because none of them were attempting to deny the Holocaust. Duh.


There is a difference between denying the holocaust and having an opinion on the reliability of an obviously very POV book.
chrisoff
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There is a difference between denying the holocaust and having an opinion on the reliability of an obviously very POV book.


And which are you saying is worse? It seems that Fred the Oyster and socks were pushing a strong POV.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 2:18pm) *

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Wikipedia Blocks Fred The Oyster And Challenges Blaxthos On Holocaust Entries

That article is fascinating. I had no clue.



Yes it was, on several levels. Quote of the day:

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What's more, several posters have asserted as one did that the “'facts' are undisputed (even by IBM).” At press time, in the fast moving, minute-to-minute world of Wikipedia, editors have suggested new phrasing which in part reads, “IBM's punch card machines were used by Germany to keep track of people who were to be subjected to the Holocaust. Only after Jews were identified—a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately—could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s, no computer existed. But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.”


Alas, IBM in the 1930's had not yet stumbled upon the corporate motto Don't Be Evil. If there's ever a second holocaust they won't need IBM machines, but can simply look up bio information on Wikipedia. There's even a List of British Jews. tongue.gif Heh. Thanks to Poetguy in no small part.

Question to ask: If Wikipedia found that some nasty regime like China or Iran or North Korea was using its content for Bad Purposes, would it erase that content and block creation of any new content of that type? If you know your product will used for evil, are you obligated to stop creating it? blink.gif ermm.gif it's sort of a topical question, no?

Under the surface, there's a subtext of Cagematch Jews vs. Everybody Else on Wikipedia. And the Jews win one! wtf.gif It's David vs. Goliath! Go figure. The wiki article IBM and the Holocaust will continue to be named that way, without warning that it's an article about the book of that title. No "IBM and the Holocaust (book)." They're not going to back down on that, unless there are at least three things with that name, and a dab page is needed. dry.gif Then they might, but do not bet on it.

Ottava
QUOTE(chrisoff @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 11:10pm) *

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There is a difference between denying the holocaust and having an opinion on the reliability of an obviously very POV book.


And which are you saying is worse? It seems that Fred the Oyster and socks were pushing a strong POV.


Bah, I was saying that they were claiming the book was POV. If Nazi sympathizers were a -1 and Jewish Nationalism was a 1, then there is a possibility Fred the Oyster merely wanted a 0 instead of a -1. Does that make sense?

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 22nd April 2010, 11:58pm) *

Alas, IBM in the 1930's had not yet stumbled upon the corporate motto Don't Be Evil. If there's ever a second holocaust they won't need IBM machines, but can simply look up bio information on Wikipedia. There's even a List of British Jews. tongue.gif Heh. Thanks to Poetguy in no small part.

Question to ask: If Wikipedia found that some nasty regime like China or Iran or North Korea was using its content for Bad Purposes, would it erase that content and block creation of any new content of that type? If you know your product will used for evil, are you obligated to stop creating it? blink.gif ermm.gif it's sort of a topical question, no?


I heard a rumor that Stalin had a Mac.
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