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thekohser
An editor using the IP address 193.61.111.53 (which traces to Loughborough College) is crafting a rather disturbing page on WikiMissing.org that seems to be preparing an index (WebCite version) (both photographic and non-photographic text and cartoons) for various types of child pornography.

Someone recently tried to "promote" traffic to this new "wikimissing.org" domain by drawing attention to it on one of Wikipedia's most-watched pages.

Jimbo Wales' talk page is on the "watchlist" of 2,065 people and is viewed by approximately 300 people per day.

I wonder if Loughborough College is supportive of content such as this child pornography index which I've brought to their attention, or will their staff take measures to put a halt to it? I am also considering reporting this item to the Internet Watch Foundation, though I'm not sure a textual list/index is within their remit.

Anyway, I find it disturbing, so I thought it appropriate to notify WR of how someone is using a new wiki to apparently classify child porn, while that site is being "promoted" visibly on Wikipedia.

BTW, the WikiMissing.org website was registered by:

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Registrant ID:CR42962039
Registrant Name:Steve Johnson
Registrant Street1:6 Farnham Close
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rothley
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:LE7 8GB
Registrant Country:GB
Registrant Phone:+1.162934179
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:wikimissing@hotmail.co.uk


Rothley, England is about 3 miles from Loughborough College.

What is it with you freaks in the UK? tongue.gif
Theanima
Eww... sick.gif
dogbiscuit
you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.

Not one of your longer lasting socks by the way tongue.gif
Peter Damian
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:03pm) *

you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.


Can you make sense of it? One page has something about Madeline McCann, then an excerpt from IRC, and then the page Greg has pointed out. What is wikimissing.org?
Eva Destruction
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:10pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:03pm) *

you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.


Can you make sense of it? One page has something about Madeline McCann, then an excerpt from IRC, and then the page Greg has pointed out. What is wikimissing.org?

Wikimissing is a project to centralize the Missing Persons registers of various countries and state agencies into a single searchable list which will be editable by law enforcement personnel.

As per Dogbiscuit, I think you and Greg are seriously misunderstanding what is going on here.
Theanima
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:28pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:10pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:03pm) *

you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.


Can you make sense of it? One page has something about Madeline McCann, then an excerpt from IRC, and then the page Greg has pointed out. What is wikimissing.org?

Wikimissing is a project to centralize the Missing Persons registers of various countries and state agencies into a single searchable list which will be editable by law enforcement personnel.

As per Dogbiscuit, I think you and Greg are seriously misunderstanding what is going on here.


Ah I think I see now. The CP page appears to be listing different levels of child pornography. Not too sure what that has to do with missing people though...
Eva Destruction
QUOTE(Theanima @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:36pm) *

Ah I think I see now. The CP page appears to be listing different levels of child pornography. Not too sure what that has to do with missing people though...

I'll guess (no more than a guess) that Greg has stumbled onto a discussion as to where the line is drawn as to which "can you identify the child in this photograph?" images are appropriate for inclusion.
Peter Damian
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:28pm) *

As per Dogbiscuit, I think you and Greg are seriously misunderstanding what is going on here.


Hmph only asking.
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:43pm) *

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:28pm) *

As per Dogbiscuit, I think you and Greg are seriously misunderstanding what is going on here.


Hmph only asking.

My guess is that the IP has been using the missing persons wiki as a private area.

The IRC seems to be a log of a person getting a bee in his bonnet about a fairly innocent picture.

I am guessing the two people are the same as the person who wanted to chat to Jimbo.

I surmise that those two pieces of information have nothing to do with the missing persons wiki - which is really just an empty Wiki at the moment.
thekohser
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:03am) *

you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.

Not one of your longer lasting socks by the way tongue.gif
Which sock are you referring to?

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:28am) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:10pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:03pm) *

you might be mis-interpreting what is going on judging by this.


Can you make sense of it? One page has something about Madeline McCann, then an excerpt from IRC, and then the page Greg has pointed out. What is wikimissing.org?

Wikimissing is a project to centralize the Missing Persons registers of various countries and state agencies into a single searchable list which will be editable by law enforcement personnel.

As per Dogbiscuit, I think you and Greg are seriously misunderstanding what is going on here.
So, how would "non real creature (alien) pen by chi (cartoon?)" help with recovering a missing person? If they were "missing" due to alien abduction from the planet Cartoonia?



Here's the entrance to Farnham Close in Rothley. Steve Johnson likely lives in one of these homes.



And, per usual, a Wikipediot will block anyone with information that ties Wikipedia to the child pornography circle. And not just any old Wikipediot... Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada. And, running to Coren's defense, KnightLago tells me by e-mail that...

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I fail to see a conflict with an administrator blocking a banned user, namely you as in this case.


Thus, sustaining Wikipedia's image of being supportive of child porn. Well done, Arb Com.
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 5:22pm) *

So, how would "non real creature (alien) pen by chi (cartoon?)" help with recovering a missing person? If they were "missing" due to alien abduction from the planet Cartoonia?



Here's the entrance to Farnham Close in Rothley. Steve Johnson likely lives in one of these homes.



And, per usual, a Wikipediot will block anyone with information that ties Wikipedia to the child pornography circle. And not just any old Wikipediot... Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada.

My assumption was that there was little or no relationship between missing persons site and the edits - it was just an unrelated sandbox.

I'd also assume that the list has been taken from another site, and is not necessarily an index but a rating system, and I suspect it is related to an official rating system rather than indicative of the person being involved in pornography.
thekohser
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 12:58pm) *

My assumption was that there was little or no relationship between missing persons site and the edits - it was just an unrelated sandbox.

I'd also assume that the list has been taken from another site, and is not necessarily an index but a rating system, and I suspect it is related to an official rating system rather than indicative of the person being involved in pornography.


What's the link to User:Sghfdhdfghdfgfd, then? He brought the site's name to Jimbo's talk page, and he has an edit history on "porn" and "child porn" Wikipedia pages. Coincidence? Is he our Steve Johnson?

And, doubtful that the list was "taken from another site", as there are 0 Google hits for some of the phrases used.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 12:22pm) *

And, per usual, a Wikipediot will block anyone with information that ties Wikipedia to the child pornography circle. And not just any old Wikipediot... Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada. And, running to Coren's defense, KnightLago tells me by e-mail that...

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I fail to see a conflict with an administrator blocking a banned user, namely you as in this case.


Thus, sustaining Wikipedia's image of being supportive of child porn. Well done, Arb Com.


The fact that KnightLago has no problems with having a full-time pornographer on an "Arbitration Committee," and the fact that KnightLago has never once spoken out against the fact that minors on Wikipedia are allowed full access to pornographic photographic material, really shows that this "knight" has little honor (let alone brains).

Don't waste your time with KnightLago, Greg -- he's not good enough to clean your toilet. dry.gif
MZMcBride
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:21pm) *
The fact that KnightLago has no problems with having a full-time pornographer on an "Arbitration Committee," and the fact that KnightLago has never once spoken out against the fact that minors on Wikipedia are allowed full access to pornographic photographic material, really shows that this "knight" has little honor (let alone brains).
Full-time pornographer? What the fuck are you on about?
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:24pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:21pm) *
The fact that KnightLago has no problems with having a full-time pornographer on an "Arbitration Committee," and the fact that KnightLago has never once spoken out against the fact that minors on Wikipedia are allowed full access to pornographic photographic material, really shows that this "knight" has little honor (let alone brains).
Full-time pornographer? What the fuck are you on about?


To quote Uncle Big Bad above:

"Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada."

Is running a porn site a hobby? ermm.gif
thekohser
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:28am) *

Wikimissing is a project to centralize the Missing Persons registers of various countries and state agencies into a single searchable list which will be editable by law enforcement personnel.


How do you know this, Eva? There is nothing in the news about this site. The only thing to substantiate that I find is this:

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Hello and welcome to WikiMissing.org. The Free online missing persons database.


Where do you learn about how it will be "editable by law enforcement personnel"?

Are you talking about this, I guess?

Milton Roe
QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:28am) *

Wikimissing is a project to centralize the Missing Persons registers of various countries and state agencies into a single searchable list which will be editable by law enforcement personnel.


Okay, my first submission.

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Tarc
A wiki for missing persons? How long will it be up until someone makes the first entry for Prince Albert in a Can?
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Tarc @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:56am) *

A wiki for missing persons? How long will it be up until someone makes the first entry for Prince Albert in a Can?

Who was the guy who claimed the milk in his refrigerator was so out of date it had a picture of the Lindbergh baby on it?

Sigh. One more down the memory hole.
thekohser
I guess it comes down to whether you believe that an IP located 3 miles from the registered owner of WikiMissing.org "coincidentally" used the site as a sandbox to enter an original index to grade and classify alien-on-child penetration images.

Also in dispute is whether a page on Meta that basically reads:
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Seeing as there is loads (sic) of missing person lists on the internet, someone who is looking for 1 person might spend hours going through databases to find them.

Why not have 1 global list designed to let anyone in the world see a list of missing people.(sic)

Local and national police forces could be involved in adding names to the list and providing information into the global database.

This would also be useful because people online are making up missing person stories to get attention and the spread of hoax missing (sic) people.

As there is more than one database at the moment, a person wondering if someone was a 'hoax' or not would not be easily able to find a person becasue (sic) of the large numbers.
...constitutes a sort of "serious" kick-off for a "serious" missing persons database project.
thekohser
Now, after 5 weeks of utter inactivity on the Meta project page for "WikiMissing" an IP address that geo-locates to Leicester, England (about 10 miles from Loughborough College, home of the child porn index editor; and only about 7 miles from the register/owner of WikiMissing.org) suddenly arrives on the scene, trying to get that Meta project swept under the rug. (WebCite version)

All on the very same day that I call attention to this suspicious child porn / Wikipedia connection?

Coincidence, of course!

The whistle-blower account is blocked (of course). The likely perpetrator account is still happily editing today. And various Wikipedians are still stumbling along, trying to figure out even the basics, as they're unaware of this thread that spells it all out.

I wish I could help them piece it all together, but I'm a banned entity on Wikipedia, thanks to Jimbo Wales, former soft pornography web portal purveyor.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 3:47pm) *

I wish I could help them piece it all together, but I'm a banned entity on Wikipedia, thanks to Jimbo Wales, former soft pornography web portal purveyor.


And don't forget Monsieur Pelletier, the Arbitrator who gives new meaning to the expression "skin in the game"!

Does anyone know if Monsieur Pelletier gives his fellow arbitrators discounts on membership to his porn site?
Somey
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:53pm) *
Does anyone know if Monsieur Pelletier gives his fellow arbitrators discounts on membership to his porn site?

Now, let's not be unfair about this. Mr. Coren is the technical support for the porn site in question, the guy who keeps the servers running. I personally am willing to believe that he doesn't actually produce or disseminate pornographic content himself, other than in that capacity. As for the discounts, if we're nice to him, maybe we can get a discount ourselves! smile.gif

Is it possible the reference to cartoon porn was a mistake, i.e., the list was copied from elsewhere and they just didn't bother to edit it? It does seem rather questionable, but the fact is, until they actually start putting up explicitly pornographic images and/or text, they're still legal.

As to the WP'ers' apparent refusal to do anything about promotion of the site on Wikipedia, I'm afraid I'd suggest taking a wait-and-see approach there too - if it really is a legitimate "missing persons" site that's being put up by people who are totally and hopelessly incompetent, that kind of bad publicity at this early stage could be crippling (though their incompetence will probably cripple them to a far greater extent than anything we could do).

Whereas, if it isn't legitimate, pointing it out to the WP admin corps isn't likely to stop the people responsible... and to be brutally honest, it would be more embarrassing to WP if we all waited until the situation was more clear-cut than it is now.
the fieryangel
QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 9:23pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:53pm) *
Does anyone know if Monsieur Pelletier gives his fellow arbitrators discounts on membership to his porn site?

Now, let's not be unfair about this. Mr. Coren is the technical support for the porn site in question, the guy who keeps the servers running. I personally am willing to believe that he doesn't actually produce or disseminate pornographic content himself, other than in that capacity. As for the discounts, if we're nice to him, maybe we can get a discount ourselves! smile.gif


...except that Monsieur Pelletier's site publishes porn about under-aged male children having sex with their fathers.

Not exactly JUST a gay porn site, is it? Could we call it a "pedophilia" site?

I wonder....
Subtle Bee
QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:23pm) *

Is it possible the reference to cartoon porn was a mistake[...]


QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:19am) *

Okay, my first submission.

Image


QUOTE
"... one Wikipedia Review regular posted a depiction of a young, faceless boy, clothed except for his naked, grotesquely protruding buttocks. The perspective is one of looking down from above, the child's arms widely extended to each side, palms upturned. The rendering is captioned: "Okay, my first submission."

Which is just to say context is important. Especially when posting real(?) names and IPs. Amirite?
Cock-up-over-conspiracy
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 10:43pm) *
...except that Monsieur Pelletier's site publishes porn about under-aged male children having sex with their fathers.

Not exactly JUST a gay porn site, is it? Could we call it a "pedophilia" site?

Not on Wikipedia you could not ... You'd end up having to stomach a 6 month discussion about the differences between pederastry and pedophilia, , lectures on the virtues of "man boy love" with multiple references to famous Greek philosophers ... and then end up with a load of stalkers on your back screwing with your edits until you were hounded off site or banned.

In additional to which, everyone will ignore the fact that you are not just talking about pedophiliac porn but pedophiliac incest porn.

Is this true?

This is incredible. Its a nut house. Can no one in there see how sick it has become?

Of course, Jimbo is not going to do anything that threatens his six figure speaking fees but I am left suspecting Sue Gardner just does not know what is going on around her and inside her website. If she knows and accepts she is morally bordering into felony as an accomplice.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:23pm) *

Is it possible the reference to cartoon porn was a mistake[...]


QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:19am) *

Okay, my first submission.

Image


QUOTE
"... one Wikipedia Review regular posted a depiction of a young, faceless boy, clothed except for his naked, grotesquely protruding buttocks. The perspective is one of looking down from above, the child's arms widely extended to each side, palms upturned. The rendering is captioned: "Okay, my first submission."

Which is just to say context is important. Especially when posting real(?) names and IPs. Amirite?

Sigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Eat_with_Your_Butt
Cock-up-over-conspiracy
QUOTE
"... one Wikipedia Review regular posted a depiction of a young, faceless boy, clothed except for his naked, grotesquely protruding buttocks. The perspective is one of looking down from above, the child's arms widely extended to each side, palms upturned. The rendering is captioned: "Okay, my first submission."

Are those buttocks ... ? Funny, I thought they a cleavage. I guess one sees what one wants to see in life ... touché.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:48pm) *

QUOTE
"... one Wikipedia Review regular posted a depiction of a young, faceless boy, clothed except for his naked, grotesquely protruding buttocks. The perspective is one of looking down from above, the child's arms widely extended to each side, palms upturned. The rendering is captioned: "Okay, my first submission."

Are those buttocks ... ? Funny, I thought they a cleavage. I guess one sees what one wants to see in life ... touché.

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MZMcBride
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:29pm) *

QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:24pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:21pm) *
The fact that KnightLago has no problems with having a full-time pornographer on an "Arbitration Committee," and the fact that KnightLago has never once spoken out against the fact that minors on Wikipedia are allowed full access to pornographic photographic material, really shows that this "knight" has little honor (let alone brains).
Full-time pornographer? What the fuck are you on about?
To quote Uncle Big Bad above:

"Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada."

Is running a porn site a hobby? ermm.gif
You're an idiot.
Subtle Bee
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:47pm) *

QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE(Somey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:23pm) *

Is it possible the reference to cartoon porn was a mistake[...]


QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 11:19am) *

Okay, my first submission.

Image


QUOTE
"... one Wikipedia Review regular posted a depiction of a young, faceless boy, clothed except for his naked, grotesquely protruding buttocks. The perspective is one of looking down from above, the child's arms widely extended to each side, palms upturned. The rendering is captioned: "Okay, my first submission."

Which is just to say context is important. Especially when posting real(?) names and IPs. Amirite?

Sigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Eat_with_Your_Butt

Not sure if you're sighing at me or not, but of course I'm familiar with the episode. My point was that context is important, you sighed and provided context. Perhaps you were just agreeing with me, with a heavy heart?

Your original post just served to illustrate that point - while every single element of my statement is unquestionably true and accurate, the effect, when taken out of context, completely misrepresents the nature of your post. In a thread debating whether a potentially real person is or is not something like a pedophile, and posting personally identifying information, I thought it was a point worth making. Especially because I never click on links relating to topics like child molestation, a most excellent habit I wholly recommend, but which requires that I form my opinions in part based on the observations of others, to the degree I can trust them.

And plus I lolled. Nothing personal!
EricBarbour
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 5:12pm) *
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:29pm) *
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:24pm) *
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 1:21pm) *
The fact that KnightLago has no problems with having a full-time pornographer on an "Arbitration Committee," and the fact that KnightLago has never once spoken out against the fact that minors on Wikipedia are allowed full access to pornographic photographic material, really shows that this "knight" has little honor (let alone brains).
Full-time pornographer? What the fuck are you on about?
To quote Uncle Big Bad above:
"Coren, who is according to Hivemind, Marc-André Pelletier... sysadmin of gai-eros.org (porn site) in Montreal, Canada."Is running a porn site a hobby? ermm.gif
You're an idiot.

Oooohhh! Coren's site has a "Urino-scato" section!

Is that your fave part, McBride? biggrin.gif
Cock-up-over-conspiracy
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 24th April 2010, 2:29am) *
Oooohhh! Coren's site has a "Urino-scato" section!

Is that your fave part, McBride? biggrin.gif

"Urino-scato" ... I have no idea what that means, I must ask my child to look it up on the Wikipedia for me.

The good thing about the Wikipedia is that usually the topics are illustrated, so it is really clear what they are talking about. Often with photos of the contributors themselves, their friends, or business partners.

To quote Stewie above ... "can you image two guys doing that?!"

In Coren's case, it is probably 4 or 5 or loads.

But don't worry, Coren is probably only in it for the money, so ethically it is OK.

Someone really needs to write all this stuff up in one book.
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 10:40pm) *

"Urino-scato" … I have no idea what that means, I must ask my child to look it up on the Wikipedia for me.


See Urethra Franklin (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Jon tongue.gif
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 7:12pm) *
You're an idiot.


In the unlikely event that I should ever place value on your opinion, I will come crying that my feelings were bruised. Until such time, however, I will acknowledge your comment the same way I acknowledge the buzzing of a mosquito - with mild annoyance and the go-away flick of my fingers.
Subtle Bee
QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 8:18pm) *

QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 10:40pm) *

"Urino-scato" … I have no idea what that means, I must ask my child to look it up on the Wikipedia for me.


See Urethra Franklin (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Jon tongue.gif

Partial credit. We were looking for "Cloaca Chanel".
Milton Roe
QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Sat 24th April 2010, 2:01pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 8:18pm) *

QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 10:40pm) *

"Urino-scato" … I have no idea what that means, I must ask my child to look it up on the Wikipedia for me.


See Urethra Franklin (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Jon tongue.gif

Partial credit. We were looking for "Cloaca Chanel".

Ah, under Paris in the Spring.
thekohser
And the predictable and typical Wikimedia cover-up begins.

Too bad some things are more permanent, Wikipediots.

Oh, this should make us all much more comfortable.
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:07am) *

And the predictable and typical Wikimedia cover-up begins.

Too bad some things are more permanent, Wikipediots.

Oh, this should make us all much more comfortable.

To be frank, all this looks like to me is some fairly naive person who has had a bright idea on missing persons and because the web cost nothing(ish) has gone ahead and set something up, and then has another agenda about porn being loaded onto Wikipedia that he disapproves of.

I haven't seen anything that makes me convinced he is an enthusiastic pornographer, so I think I'd want to see the diffs. I haven't even seen the smoking gun to make me look myself.
A User
QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Sun 25th April 2010, 5:54pm) *

To be frank, all this looks like to me is some fairly naive person who has had a bright idea on missing persons and because the web cost nothing(ish) has gone ahead and set something up, and then has another agenda about porn being loaded onto Wikipedia that he disapproves of.

I haven't seen anything that makes me convinced he is an enthusiastic pornographer, so I think I'd want to see the diffs. I haven't even seen the smoking gun to make me look myself.


It would be sad db if it did turn out to be a kiddie pr0n site. A wiki database to help assist finding missing children would have been a noble project.
thekohser
QUOTE(WikiWatch @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:26am) *

It would be sad db if it did turn out to be a kiddie pr0n site. A wiki database to help assist finding missing children would have been a noble project.


Run by amateur teenagers who have no training in privacy issues, custody rights, abduction negotiations, or legal jurisdiction.

What could possibly go wrong???
dogbiscuit
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 25th April 2010, 2:54pm) *

QUOTE(WikiWatch @ Sun 25th April 2010, 6:26am) *

It would be sad db if it did turn out to be a kiddie pr0n site. A wiki database to help assist finding missing children would have been a noble project.


Run by amateur teenagers who have no training in privacy issues, custody rights, abduction negotiations, or legal jurisdiction.

What could possibly go wrong???

Yep, just another web enthusiast who assumes all you need is a web site and good things will happen.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(WikiWatch @ Sun 25th April 2010, 4:26am) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Sun 25th April 2010, 5:54pm) *

To be frank, all this looks like to me is some fairly naive person who has had a bright idea on missing persons and because the web cost nothing(ish) has gone ahead and set something up, and then has another agenda about porn being loaded onto Wikipedia that he disapproves of.

I haven't seen anything that makes me convinced he is an enthusiastic pornographer, so I think I'd want to see the diffs. I haven't even seen the smoking gun to make me look myself.


It would be sad db if it did turn out to be a kiddie pr0n site. A wiki database to help assist finding missing children would have been a noble project.


A noble project with a poor choice of software. Only a wiki could result in confusion as to whether a site is about finding missing persons or hosting child porn.
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 24th April 2010, 8:39pm) *

QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Sat 24th April 2010, 2:01pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 8:18pm) *

QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 10:40pm) *

"Urino-scato" … I have no idea what that means, I must ask my child to look it up on the Wikipedia for me.


See Urethra Franklin (T-C-L-K-R-D)

Jon tongue.gif


Partial credit. We were looking for "Cloaca Chanel".


Ah, under Paris in the Spring.


Scat brains, yes, but neither one of them can carry a tune in a tisket a tasket …

Jon tongue.gif
thekohser
QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:47pm) *

The whistle-blower account is blocked (of course). The likely perpetrator account is still happily editing today. And various Wikipedians are still stumbling along, trying to figure out even the basics, as they're unaware of this thread that spells it all out.

I wish I could help them piece it all together, but I'm a banned entity on Wikipedia, thanks to Jimbo Wales, former soft pornography web portal purveyor.


Interesting where that "perpetrator account" now points to.
SB_Johnny
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:47pm) *

The whistle-blower account is blocked (of course). The likely perpetrator account is still happily editing today. And various Wikipedians are still stumbling along, trying to figure out even the basics, as they're unaware of this thread that spells it all out.

I wish I could help them piece it all together, but I'm a banned entity on Wikipedia, thanks to Jimbo Wales, former soft pornography web portal purveyor.


Interesting where that "perpetrator account" now points to.

Good grief. blink.gif
Milton Roe
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 30th November 2010, 4:52pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 23rd April 2010, 2:47pm) *

The whistle-blower account is blocked (of course). The likely perpetrator account is still happily editing today. And various Wikipedians are still stumbling along, trying to figure out even the basics, as they're unaware of this thread that spells it all out.

I wish I could help them piece it all together, but I'm a banned entity on Wikipedia, thanks to Jimbo Wales, former soft pornography web portal purveyor.


Interesting where that "perpetrator account" now points to.

Good grief. blink.gif

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But one cannot help but admire Newyorkbrad's gallant attempt to help the humor-impaired on Jimbo's talk page. Rodhullandemu is obviously in tough shape, and there should be some kind of Special Olympics for administrators like him, with even more pro bono team coaching by NYB.

Alternatively he could be the first robot admin who has passed the Turing test. Sort of. In which case, even NYB probably can't help. Even if they pay him more legal fees to teach a robot humanity, which they won't. That's a script concept, right there. There are some scenes in the episodes of the Sarah Connors Chronicals that this dialogue actually reminds me of. ermm.gif

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i would like to speak to you about something administrators are not taking seriously.
when you get this, could you please email me on info@wikimissing.org
Thank you.
Sghfdhdfghdfgfd (talk) 20:46, 22 April 2010 (UTC) [Yeah, 13 yo Sophie, our Kristen-of-the-week]

Obvious question: why should Jimbo email you without any particular reason being given? He has two email addresses listed here, and it might be more constructive if you emailed him and set out your concerns, and leave it up to him how and whether he replies. He's a thoughtful, but very busy guy and might be unwilling to reply to such vague requests. Rodhullandemu 00:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Jimbo, I need to speak to you about something too. Please friend me on facebook and add the "Farmville" app if you don't have it already.--Milowent (talk) 00:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Now, that's funny!--Epeefleche (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm uncertain whether this is innocent or trolling, but Jimbo travels a lot, is very busy and (I'd guess) doesn't have much spare time to sign up to Facebook pages. Please see my advice to Sghfdhdfghdfgfd above. Rodhullandemu 00:22, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it was neither a naive inquiry nor trolling, but parody. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. Fine, I missed that. Meanwhile, Jimbo, can we discuss doubling my salary sometime, on account of all the work I put in here? I've been advised that no commercial organisation could afford me, but I am confident that Wikipedia can. Rodhullandemu 00:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
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I wonder if Loughborough College is supportive of content such as this child pornography index which I've brought to their attention, or will their staff take measures to put a halt to it? I am also considering reporting this item to the Internet Watch Foundation, though I'm not sure a textual list/index is within their remit.

Anyway, I find it disturbing, so I thought it appropriate to notify WR of how someone is using a new wiki to apparently classify child porn, while that site is being "promoted" visibly on Wikipedia.


Summary of this thread: Sophie claims to be 13 and British, at a point her site WikiMissing hosted a page about various kinds of CP, and the owner of the domain is Steve in England.

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GlassBeadGame
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I wonder if Loughborough College is supportive of content such as this child pornography index which I've brought to their attention, or will their staff take measures to put a halt to it? I am also considering reporting this item to the Internet Watch Foundation, though I'm not sure a textual list/index is within their remit.

Anyway, I find it disturbing, so I thought it appropriate to notify WR of how someone is using a new wiki to apparently classify child porn, while that site is being "promoted" visibly on Wikipedia.


Summary of this thread: Sophie claims to be 13 and British, at a point her site WikiMissing hosted a page about various kinds of CP, and the owner of the domain is Steve in England.

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The only responsible course of action is to ban outright and promptly any account that asserts it belongs to a child and the account draws attention to that fact or acts provocatively. There is no harm done by banning whether the account actually does belong to a child or not and much mischief or even outright evil might be prevented irrespective or whether a child or not. I can't understand the willingness to put up with this kind deceptive attractive nuisance or clueless child.
carbuncle
HBMHcouk's YouTube page may provide some answers by reading between the lines.
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About Me:

My name is Steve, I am a founder of the group Help Bring Madeleine Home (HBMH). Although all of the founders use this YouTube account, I am the founder who uses it most. Not many people know about child abductions. I do, sadly from my own experance. My two daughters were abducted from me FOR 6 YEARS. I found them again in 2008 and I can not be happier. During the time they were missing, my family gave me lots of information reguarding child abductions. Some of which I never knew. View the Inside Information playlist for these facts.
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