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Peter Damian
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Interesting piece. Relates to a thread here where 'Bali Ultimate' was discussed.

Beautfully written: "Google Jerusalem, Israel, the Holocaust, jihad – the first reference to come up is Wikipedia. Most users mistakenly think it is an encyclopedia. [...] The Wiki ideal is consensus. Think of the above topics and consensus. "
ulsterman
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 13th July 2010, 6:31pm) *

Interesting piece. Relates to a thread here where 'Bali Ultimate' was discussed.

Beautfully written: "Google Jerusalem, Israel, the Holocaust, jihad – the first reference to come up is Wikipedia. Most users mistakenly think it is an encyclopedia. [...] The Wiki ideal is consensus. Think of the above topics and consensus. "

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I was a professional writer for fifteen years, and take great pleasure in accurate research. I wrote three books that were translated into five languages and am most proud that my two fact checkers found only one error in the last book. So it was natural that in retirement I thought it would be meaningful to contribute to Wikipedia.

Obviously yet another naive expert. Just the sort of person Wikipedia desperately needs if it really has any pretensions to be a real encyclopedia. Just the sort of person who will get driven out.

Milton Roe
QUOTE(ulsterman @ Tue 13th July 2010, 1:09pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 13th July 2010, 6:31pm) *

Interesting piece. Relates to a thread here where 'Bali Ultimate' was discussed.

Beautfully written: "Google Jerusalem, Israel, the Holocaust, jihad – the first reference to come up is Wikipedia. Most users mistakenly think it is an encyclopedia. [...] The Wiki ideal is consensus. Think of the above topics and consensus. "

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I was a professional writer for fifteen years, and take great pleasure in accurate research. I wrote three books that were translated into five languages and am most proud that my two fact checkers found only one error in the last book. So it was natural that in retirement I thought it would be meaningful to contribute to Wikipedia.

Obviously yet another naive expert. Just the sort of person Wikipedia desperately needs if it really has any pretensions to be a real encyclopedia. Just the sort of person who will get driven out.

Yes, but also just the sort of person who one expects to make a horrid noise about it in the conventional media, when it does happen. Bruhahahahah heh. Hasten the day. Reform happens one pissed-off expert at a time smile.gif
Somey
Ehh, this is one of those situations where there's more going on than meets the eye, I suspect.

First, the author of this piece, Karin McQuillan, says:
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I was a professional writer for fifteen years, and take great pleasure in accurate research. I wrote three books that were translated into five languages and am most proud that my two fact checkers found only one error in the last book. So it was natural that in retirement I thought it would be meaningful to contribute to Wikipedia.

In fact, Ms. McQuillan wrote and published exactly three mystery novels over a 7-year period, all set in Africa: Deadly Safari, Cheetah Chase, and Elephant's Graveyard. Admittedly I haven't read any of these novels, but I doubt they have anything to do with the Holocaust, the New York TImes, or the American newspaper business in general. And of course, it's not the least bit "natural" for anyone, much less a professional writer, to think it would be "meaningful" to contribute to Wikipedia, in retirement or otherwise. Moreover, these three novels have not been deemed sufficient to cause anyone to create a BLP article about her, which for most people is seen as a slight (they simply don't realize how lucky they actually are, of course).

For some odd reason, our thread on Bali ultimate never mentions Ms. McQuillen's WP account by name (it's Cimicifugia (T-C-L-K-R-D) , named after a flower sometimes used by the Chinese to ward off bedbugs). She's also been working on an article entitled "Nazism in the Middle East," detailing various contacts, etc., between Muslim political figures and the Nazis.

While her FrontPage article is mostly accurate about WP's internal squabbling and general brain-mashing, she doesn't mention the strongest (IMO) counter-argument against her "New York Times and the Holocaust" article, which is that nearly every other US newspaper behaved essentially the same way during WWII, if not worse. To single out the NYT for this is simply unfair; there's almost no question that she wants to do it as payback for the NYT's unfairly-perceived "liberal" slant on Israel-related subjects in recent years, and she's using the classic "OMG Holocaust Denier!" accusation to intimidate others into letting her do it - something we've definitely seen before, just not so much lately.

There's no question that Bali ultimate is obnoxious and rude, but if you ask me, he's obnoxious and rude about (mostly) the right things.
The Adversary
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 13th July 2010, 11:03pm) *

Ehh, this is one of those situations where there's more going on than meets the eye, I suspect.

First, the author of this piece, Karin McQuillan, says:
QUOTE
I was a professional writer for fifteen years, and take great pleasure in accurate research. I wrote three books that were translated into five languages and am most proud that my two fact checkers found only one error in the last book. So it was natural that in retirement I thought it would be meaningful to contribute to Wikipedia.

In fact, Ms. McQuillan wrote and published exactly three mystery novels over a 7-year period, all set in Africa: Deadly Safari, Cheetah Chase, and Elephant's Graveyard. Admittedly I haven't read any of these novels, but I doubt they have anything to do with the Holocaust, the New York TImes, or the American newspaper business in general. And of course, it's not the least bit "natural" for anyone, much less a professional writer, to think it would be "meaningful" to contribute to Wikipedia, in retirement or otherwise. Moreover, these three novels have not been deemed sufficient to cause anyone to create a BLP article about her, which for most people is seen as a slight (they simply don't realize how lucky they actually are, of course).

For some odd reason, our thread on Bali ultimate never mentions Ms. McQuillen's WP account by name (it's Cimicifugia (T-C-L-K-R-D) , named after a flower sometimes used by the Chinese to ward off bedbugs). She's also been working on an article entitled "Nazism in the Middle East," detailing various contacts, etc., between Muslim political figures and the Nazis.

While her FrontPage article is mostly accurate about WP's internal squabbling and general brain-mashing, she doesn't mention the strongest (IMO) counter-argument against her "New York Times and the Holocaust" article, which is that nearly every other US newspaper behaved essentially the same way during WWII, if not worse. To single out the NYT for this is simply unfair; there's almost no question that she wants to do it as payback for the NYT's unfairly-perceived "liberal" slant on Israel-related subjects in recent years, and she's using the classic "OMG Holocaust Denier!" accusation to intimidate others into letting her do it - something we've definitely seen before, just not so much lately.

There's no question that Bali ultimate is obnoxious and rude, but if you ask me, he's obnoxious and rude about (mostly) the right things.

Dum-di-da-dum.
On 6 October 2010, "Nazism in the Middle East" was deleted, as it had "not edited or improved for several months". No wonder, when its editor was getting banned...?

But wait! By the end of September, throw-away-wp-account Prattilon (T-C-L-K-R-D) had started Nazi relations with the Arab world (T-H-L-K-D)...

Ahem, any bets about a relationship between Cimicifugia (T-C-L-K-R-D) and Prattilon (T-C-L-K-R-D) ??

Or between deleted article-draft "Nazism in the Middle East" ...and present article "Nazi relations with the Arab world (T-H-L-K-D)"?
Kwork
QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 13th July 2010, 10:03pm) *

While her FrontPage article is mostly accurate about WP's internal squabbling and general brain-mashing, she doesn't mention the strongest (IMO) counter-argument against her "New York Times and the Holocaust" article, which is that nearly every other US newspaper behaved essentially the same way during WWII, if not worse. To single out the NYT for this is simply unfair; there's almost no question that she wants to do it as payback for the NYT's unfairly-perceived "liberal" slant on Israel-related subjects in recent years, and she's using the classic "OMG Holocaust Denier!" accusation to intimidate others into letting her do it - something we've definitely seen before, just not so much lately.

There's no question that Bali ultimate is obnoxious and rude, but if you ask me, he's obnoxious and rude about (mostly) the right things.


Yes, there were many other newspapers that remained silent. But I would have thought the solution was to add that as additional information to the article; and not Bali ultimate's ultimate solution of an AfD. I was never really able to understand why Bali was so hostile to that article because his excuses never matched up with the rather mild quality of the actual article. My best guess, after all this time , is that Bali ultimate does some paid editing, but to not create articles. He seemed in that case to act as a sort of "reputation defender".... as with this company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReputationDefender

Bali ultimate is also the most WP:DICK editor I know of. The reason he is so repellent is that 1. his aggressiveness is almost always directed at articles or users who are really small potatoes in the context of Wikipedia's truly massive problems, 2. he never goes anyplace on WP without the support and protection of his claque, and 3. he whines like a baby if he encounters any flack. It is a little disgusting that someone so good at dishing it out is such a whiner when he gets even mild criticism. He would really by a good choice for the 2010 Miss Congeniality award.
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