I suggested an article was a puff piece. Rather than engage in discussion, the article creator has been deleting standard WP procedures for addressing these concerns. Cirt has been both disruptive and using harrassing techniques to defend the article used to advertise the "Daryl restaurant and wine bar." He clearly has a personal interest in the restaurant is is using his position as an administrator abusively. Njsustain (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Cirt recently created a ridiculous puff piece for minor actress Jamie Sorrentini. Turns out that Sorrentini is a former Scientologist whose story is told here. One of the partners in Daryl Winebar? Its namesake Daryl Sorrentini, who happens to be the mother of Jamie Sorrentini. Is it possible that Cirt's "paid editing" has really just been an extreme extension of their anti-Scientology editing?

It appears that step one is unnecessary. This blog post may have been the impetus for Cirt's interest.

Leaving Springfield - no clue.

You may recall earlier threads discussing Cirt's aggressive anti-Scientology efforts on WP, and the suggestion that Cirt may be a paid editor ...

Cutting to the chase, how unusual is it for a confirmed former scientologist not to be identified as precisely such on WP? Are there other known omissions or is Ms. Sorrentini unique in this regard?

Nancy Cartwright is probably the missing link.

You may recall earlier threads discussing Cirt's aggressive anti-Scientology efforts on WP, and the suggestion that Cirt may be a paid editor. A recent thread on ANI involving Cirt's creation of Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant, which looks like the type of thing an experienced paid editor would write, made me look at the again at the paid editing suggestions.

As a professional publicist, I can put money down that Cirt (assuming that he wrote it) is clearly a PR/marketing professional.

Dear Sir, I'm just curious as to whether you think it is alright for admins to call users "d*cks" (but with an i instead of a *)? EVula called me this repeatedly on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong, but I didn't realize it was okay to be sweared at by administrators in the process. Just wondering whether this was the future of being part of the WP community? Thanks for your contributions towards society. Sincerely, Njsustain (talk) 18:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

See WP:DICK. It isn't good to call someone a dick, but it is even better not to be one.--Scott Mac 18:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing up the acceptable etiquette here on WP, sad as it apparently is. Njsustain (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jim...es#Just_curious

It's called 'disruption by user Njsustain'. That's right. The person being accused of disruption is the person who brought the issue to light. And behold the line of idiotic or corrupt Wikipedians lining up with cudgels to bash the complainer.

I'm physically sick.

And what about this

I honestly think Njsustain is being a bit of a dick here. Assuming Cirt has a conflict in interest with the subject of the article just because he wrote it doesn't really make sense; plenty of editors write articles about things that they don't have a stake in... EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

As a professional publicist, I can put money down that Cirt (assuming that he wrote it) is clearly a PR/marketing professional. This is one of the finest marketing pieces I've seen in ages -- this is not the work of a hobbyist with an axe to grind.

Cyclopia I don't follow this argument at all. You are arguing that applying measurable criteria to determine the overall significance of something equates to bias. All "notability" policies are expressly involved with such significance. Something of only local interest is not of interest to the broad audience of an encyclopedia. It is obvious why we have this language in the policy.Griswaldo (talk) 18:18, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Should we avoid to cover specialized academic subjects because they could not be "of interest to the broad audience of an encyclopedia"? Of course not. For the same reason, we shouldn't bias our coverage by refusing to use local RS. It is not "obvious", given that this guideline (not policy!) is the only one I'm aware that specifically singles out local sources as unsuitable - WP:GNG does nothing of the sort, and it is our main guideline for notability. --Cyclopiatalk 19:20, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Cyclopia, clearly "significance" is not simply measured in brute quantity. Academic subjects usually do not suffer from the same "local vs. global" issue that is concerning us here. Academic communities are usually transnational or global (yes that's a step beyond national, and two steps beyond regional), even if they are small. The subject matters of academic pursuits may be of interest to any lay reader who is digging further into a subject matter that is, once again, of universal interest. Do you care to give an example of an academic subject we cover that you would argue it is on par with? It might be better to discuss this with a concrete example in mind. I await it.Griswaldo (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

James Beard Foundation Award nomination
The article states that the restaurant was nominated for a James Beard Foundation Award as "best new restaurant". The sources used are an unidentified PDF file and a magazine website. The former appears to be some kind of voting form, and the text for the latter was almost certainly submitted by the restaurant themselves (that's just how it works, folks). Using the search form on the James Beard Foundation site, I was unable to find any listing for "daryl" or "david drake". Can someone please confirm my results? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:43, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Definitive results (inaccurate claim)
This was painstaking because of the lack of browsability on the website but I found a list of the winner and the FOUR other nominees for "Best New Restaurant". This link will take you there - 2008 Best New Restaurant. The promo piece linked to in the magazine was clearly incorrect, but then again it is hardly a WP:RS in the first place. It's very disappointing to see this inaccuracy coming to light on top of everything else.Griswaldo (talk) 18:36, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Daryl_Wine_Bar_and_Restaurant"

It's not up to me to decide policy at that level of scale, and so I offer only a general opinion. I think that having such articles is not within the scope of Wikipedia for a number of reasons, more or less along the lines that Griswaldo has outlined. It should be noted, since it accidentally and foolishly made headlines a few years ago, that I started the entry Mzoli's, but I did so on the premise that the restaurant is culturally interesting, as it has been popular with both whites and blacks in a South African township, and because of various complexities surrounding its impact on the community.
.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] And Jimbo even brings in Mzoli's meats:

Ha. Cirt is busy writing for the enemy. Clearly he has no stake in this! Phew, and to think we all thought he had something to gain from a positive review. To think we all thought … how silly.

Good Grief. That "article" is the very definition of "non-encyclopedic".

Jon

I had a little run in with "Cirt" on some biography of some old Werner (Engerhart?) or other. What a nutjob. And Cirt isn't playing with a full deck either.

(edit): oohhhh! Looky look, Jimbo told Cirt to knock it off!!! And he said no!......laffy laffy laffy!

Cirt said "no to all questions" -- including the ones about "eating there" and the like.

Then why did he/she/it create the article?

I have had many discussions with Cirt electronically (Google Chat and e-mail), and the position he maintains (odd to me as it seems), is that he is fervently (almost to the point of panic) opposed to the Church of Scientology. He monitors people and organizations who have ever been "threatened" by the CoS. He then believes he is "assisting" or "rewarding" those victimized people by giving them the "gift" of coverage in Wikipedia.

He then believes he is "assisting" or "rewarding" those victimized people by giving them the "gift" of coverage in Wikipedia.

I see a lot of my old 2007 style in Cookiehead's WP technique!

One catches more flies with laughs than with boring old statements of the obvious.

""Keep"" - run by a Scientolgist, so we've got to support Cirt's crusade by documenting their every more. Got to keep those Thetans out of our soup on theatre night. Cookiehead (talk) 03:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

A comment like this is NOT acceptable either as a reason for deletion (it will obviously be ignored by the closing admin) or as a statement anywhere on wikipedia. Please try to restrain yourself James (T C) 04:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat churlish of Cirt to block Ellipse Records, I thought.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ellipsegrouprecords

Given the circumstances, anyway.

Way to go, Cirt. A couple dozen people per day were looking at the promotional article, but now hundreds are looking at the deletion hate-fest surrounding the article.

Maybe you ought to reconsider this crusade of yours to "help" victims of Scientology through Wikipedia article creation?

Way to go, Cirt. A couple dozen people per day were looking at the promotional article, but now hundreds are looking at the deletion hate-fest surrounding the article.

Maybe you ought to reconsider this crusade of yours to "help" victims of Scientology through Wikipedia article creation?

... when it suddenly jumped up to 1.8k. I don't think WR readers are solely responsible for that ...

Cirt said "no to all questions" -- including the ones about "eating there" and the like.

Then why did he/she/it create the article?

Well, Daryl's was saved! Hallelujah! (not sure how they say that in Scientology Church. "Travolta!"?)

huge creepy anime (redundant!) picture

That was odd the first time and irritating the second time. Probably not unlike my Review contributions. Could you get that image size down to a dull roar? Thanks, uncle!

Well, Daryl's was saved! Hallelujah! (not sure how they say that in Scientology Church. "Travolta!"?)

At least DGG rewrote the thing before it was kept.

Well, Daryl's was saved! Hallelujah! (not sure how they say that in Scientology Church. "Travolta!"?)

Meanwhile, the prolific and venerable John Vandenburg has recommended that the doubly-notable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_(restaurant) should be merged into the article of the hotel in which it resides.

Hmm.....Daryl's Wine Bar and Scientologist Refugee Farm is also located in a well-known hotel. So I'm sure Vandy would want to merge this pedestrian grape juice bar into the main hotel article?

http://www.theheldrich.com/

I'm sure this suggestion will be made shortly.

I'm sure Cirt gets the joke. I wish I knew how to make images smaller here - can someone clue me in?

But no, generally speaking I don't believe there's any forum markup to expose the img width attribute and effect scale reduction by the browser (which tends to come out looking like shit anyway). Maybe Somey could be persuaded to install imagemagick.

There's [imgx] to limit a large image to 100% of the table-cell width (so that it doesn't expand the table to where you have to scroll horizontally)... And ImageMagick actually is installed, but if we allowed people to enter their own preferred width attribute, pretty soon we'd have Awbrey posting those little GIF smileys at about 10 million times their original size.

If we allowed people to enter their own preferred width attribute, pretty soon we'd have Awbrey posting those little GIF smileys at about 10 million times their original size.

That's one of the unfortunate consequences of operating the site under the inchoate terms of an Anti-Social Contract.

Meanwhile, Wikipedia's drive to cover New Jersey's standouts of the year has moved on to the Pithari Taverna (T-H-L-K-D).