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They are two different people. Like most couples who are identified to the Foundation, they are assumed as "one voice" when consensus is concerned. Who knows about voting, but Wiki is not a Democracy remember?

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Hot chocolate?

Well I blanked it because it appears she does exist http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=378053517 as Ironholds and others have met her.

I don't want to make fun of anyone who genuinely has mental illness (although the idea of exploiting non-existent illness to game the system makes me cross).

But what do we really know? Some woman turned up with Symonds to the London meetup. Did she identify as the person who edits Wikipedia? Did anyone does editing and so on?

The whole story is absolutely implausible. But then part of it is real.

That link doesn't seem to prove that anyone has met her. And, who is Ironholds? How do we know he's not just a character in the skit?

I think many stories on Wikipedia are implausible, but then part of them is real. They have drugged editors, stalkers, obsessed people, child lovers, transsexuals, identity thieves, con men, and more.

Well it would have been at this meetup.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/London/36

Where the dashing officer mentions he is bringing her.

[edit] The likeliest explanation, given the similarity of both editing styles (and the implausible opening of her account with an edit to her monobook) is that he has hijacked her name, possibly with her permission, to use it to get two administrator accounts. I mean, Mrs Damian wouldn't give a f--k if I did that (so long as her real name did not come into it).

I don't know.

Why would Peter Symonds bring his mother to a meetup with him?

Oh wait, he's British.

But this link proves she exists: http://twitter.com/#!/panyd



A little known fact: Ironholds was a would-be child actor who auditioned for the role of Harry Potter in the popular film series. If he got the role, we wouldn't be having this conversation. And, chances are, the Harry Potter films would have been dreadful.

Ironholds has also turned up in WR under a couple of different names, too. Can you guess which ones? (It is kind of easy, truth be told.)

lolwut? Are not Jeremy/GRAWP and the Potter actor Radcliffe about the same age, being born in 1989 or so?

I blanked my original post after it became clear that there is a real person corresponding to user:panyd, who is not Mr Symonds. But the question of whether Symonds is using that account with or without her permission is different. In addition to the evidence cited by others here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...adminship/Panyd , here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...nyd#Question_15
and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc...Cavalry/Archive - some of which is inexplicable on the assumption that Chaseme was not using her account for the RfA, there is other evidence that he is the main user of this account. As follows.

1. Similarity of time zone. Ms Panyd is supposed to be mainly resident in the US, where she attends college. But the editing patterns of both accounts are almost identical. Rocket-powered editing for the English day, followed by sleep from about 4 until 10. (Getting up at 10 is what my father used to call a 'gentleman's hour', but then Chase me is an officer and a gentleman, so we'll grant him that).

2. Similarity of edit comments. 'Whoops', 'dear god'. The spelling of 'encyclopaedia' using the extra 'e. Other similarities noted in the Rfa above.

3. Similarity of style. Both technical - both use bots, and Panyd's first edit was to install twinkle - at almost exactly the same time chaseme was experimenting with this.

4. Obsession with AfDs, and many votes on the same AfD. Listed below.

00:44, 14 November 2008 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers (4th nomination) ? (OTE) chaseme
00:50, 14 November 2008 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers (4th nomination) ? panyd

15:15, 12 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betcris ? (?Betcris: Keep!) panyd
19:45, 12 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Betcris ? (closing) cml

21:39, 1 November 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Eyed Kids (3rd nomination) ? (?Black Eyed Kids: reply) cml
09:58, 31 October 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Eyed Kids (3rd nomination) ? (Delete) panyd
(But oddly they vote on opposite sides)

21:41, 15 October 2010 (diff | hist) N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossFire Fusor ? (Creating deletion discussion page for CrossFire Fusor. (TW)) cml
20:58, 16 October 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossFire Fusor ? (Delete) panyd

20:04, 6 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denialism (2nd nomination) ? (?Denialism: nbdelete) cml
07:11, 6 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denialism (2nd nomination) ? (Comment) panyd

19:42, 25 July 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DW-link ? (?DW-link: Keep) panyd
22:31, 30 October 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dybbuk box ? (?Dybbuk box: minor edit) cml

01:44, 30 May 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edouard Stern ? (?Edouard Stern: sspa) cml
16:58, 2 June 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edouard Stern ? (Found a book with a section on Stern and his company) panyd

17:49, 12 October 2010 (diff | hist) N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electrodynamic Space Thruster ? (Creating deletion discussion page for Electrodynamic Space Thruster. (TW)) cml
21:02, 16 October 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electrodynamic Space Thruster ? (Delete) panyd

00:04, 17 November 2008 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free alternatives to proprietary softwares ? panyd
23:38, 16 November 2008 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free alternatives to proprietary softwares ? (?Free alternatives to proprietary softwares: delete and disperse) cml

11:37, 12 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hate man ? (?Hate man: reply) cml
20:34, 11 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hate man ? (Keep) panyd

(panyd worked on this article)

20:56, 1 January 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jenna Miscavige Hill ? (?Jenna Miscavige Hill: reply) cml
22:31, 2 January 2011 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jenna Miscavige Hill ? (Cmt) panyd

19:37, 19 October 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Nicole Lee (2nd nomination) ? (?Jennifer Nicole Lee: Delete!) panyd
20:45, 19 October 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Nicole Lee (2nd nomination) ? (?Jennifer Nicole Lee: nb) cml

chaseme nominates

16:03, 10 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Eden ? (?Kurt Eden: reply) cml
18:12, 9 April 2010 (diff | hist) N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kurt Eden ? (Creating deletion discussion page for Kurt Eden. (TW)) panyd

17:34, 17 November 2008 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers (4th nomination) ? panyd
01:04, 14 November 2008 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bow tie wearers (4th nomination) ? (* not cml

21:04, 15 November 2008 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schedules for drugs and poisons ? panyd 39767.87778
23:36, 15 November 2008 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of schedules for drugs and poisons ? (?List of schedules for drugs and poisons: reply) cml 39767.98333

01:31, 10 January 2009 (diff | hist) m Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Action Resource Centre ? panyd
00:11, 10 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Action Resource Centre ? (?London Action Resource Centre: add a bit) cml

12:14, 15 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Looming, Towering, Stooping, and Sinking ? (?Looming, Towering, Stooping, and Sinking: update my vote) cml
02:05, 15 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Looming, Towering, Stooping, and Sinking ? (Delete and merge or Rename) panyd

20:53, 19 November 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise Glover (2nd nomination) ? (?Louise Glover: reply) cml
11:54, 18 November 2010 (diff | hist) N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louise Glover (2nd nomination) ? (Creating deletion discussion page for Louise Glover. (TW)) panyd

20:13, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major Mano ? panyd
20:11, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Major Mano ? (?Major Mano: reply) cml

00:51, 4 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MarHedge ? (?MarHedge: I have added some content/references!) panyd
16:17, 2 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MarHedge ? (?MarHedge: nb) cml

19:41, 25 August 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Portmann ? (Weak Keep) panyd
21:16, 25 August 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ? (?Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Portmann: canvassing) cml

22:07, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Hughes ? panyd
22:08, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oliver Hughes ? (?Oliver Hughes: ) cml

21:52, 17 April 2010 (diff | hist) N Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Out-of-place artifact ? (Creating deletion discussion page for Out-of-place artifact. (TW)) panyd
17:20, 18 April 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Out-of-place artifact ? (kept!) cml

15:23, 4 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palos Verdes Cross Country ? (?Palos Verdes Cross Country: Comment) panyd
22:23, 4 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palos Verdes Cross Country ? (?Palos Verdes Cross Country: keep) cml

19:59, 6 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polar Bears and Global Warming ? (?Polar Bears and Global Warming: lol what) cml
15:34, 5 November 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Polar Bears and Global Warming ? (Delete) panyd

23:06, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Porn for the Blind (2nd nomination) ? (?Porn for the Blind) panyd
23:09, 17 January 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Porn for the Blind (2nd nomination) ? (?Porn for the Blind: delete) cml

18:05, 25 July 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Petrick ? (?Robert Petrick: Delete) panyd
20:39, 1 August 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Petrick ? (closi ng) cml

14:05, 14 August 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Selective Sound Sensitivity ? (?Selective Sound Sensitivity: dsm?) cml
14:07, 14 August 2010 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Selective Sound Sensitivity ? (Comment with link to DSM) panyd

23:33, 22 September 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shona Holmes (3rd nomination) ? (?Shona Holmes: reply) cml
18:52, 25 July 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shona Holmes ? (?Shona Holmes: Delete) panyd

16:01, 2 July 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valéry Grancher ? (?Valéry Grancher: Keep) panyd
19:36, 2 July 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valéry Grancher ? (?Valéry Grancher: note) cml

18:58, 23 June 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veritee 2 ? panyd
16:14, 23 June 2009 (diff | hist) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veritee 2 ? (?Veritee: hm) cml

I did not see your posts before they were redacted, but both Panyd's Facebook and Twitter have "London" as her location. At least the person I identify as Panyd does, yours may be different.

If the question is whether or not Chase Me is in control of that account, it seems plausible, but I don't see how you're going make a believable case for it.

She explicitly says in the RfA that she attends Sarah Lawrence college.

Another oddity is that, while she has only communicated with CML on his talk page 3 times, they make many consecutive edits. Listed below. There are at least 3m pages on Wikipedia. What explains the uncanny way in which one edit is followed by another within minutes? Do they phone each other up? Well they claim to, but it strikes me as bizarre. Some of the sequences are truly difficult to explain. And the one about 'churchfitters' - an obscure folk band, is impossible. CML claims that they both liked the band, and that is why that was her first edit. But CML originally PRODed it. Then followed up by added some material to it. I don't know how you explain that. If they both 'really like' the band, why didn't they create the article before? Why PROD it when it is created? Bizarre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history
History of file picture

Edit on same article
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=250320055

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=250304969

Worked on very obscure English folk group
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

Consecutive edits
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=164392270

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=140259628 cml nominates for deletion.

"Churchfitters are a band we both very much like, and therefore one of the first she edited" (RfA talk 23:35, 15 January 2010) She first edited on 13 October 2007. The same date as he nommed for delete. What?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=402316150

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=407266448

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=383507889

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=252240693

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=383449636

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=393888593

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=346970641

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=362098056 - this is an odd one - look at the comment and then this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=389385710

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=384237553

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=383735397

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=252679594

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=384022124

Only ever speaks to Chaseme three times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=392658887
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=354841684 (onthe phone to chaseme)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=354238373

Well, either he has Svengali powers that were not obvious in the BBC interview of she is the world's dumbest Trilby.

Is there any reason why she couldn't have been living in the US attending Sarah Lawrence for part of the year and also living in the UK for part of the year? And now, for the sake of argument, lives full-time in the UK, with Chase Me?

Assume that Chase Me and Panyd edit in tandem, rather than being one person. This explains the patterns that you have noticed. Not very exciting, I know, but not everything is a conspiracy.

I don't know what you mean by 'in tandem'. Literally it is 'one behind the other', 'in sequence'. This does not explain the uncanny way in which an edit to one of the 3.5m articles in Wikipedia is immediately followed by another, by the other person. Statistically that is highly unlikely. It could be explained if one phoned the other up, of course. But phoning each other up about editing Wikipedia? And how do you edit within minutes while holding a phone? And what would be the point of it?

There is also the matter of the RfA. CML accidentally logged in as Panyd, in order to support her.

Assume that they are often in communication while they are both editing, either by being in the same place at the same time or through other means. I can imagine two people editing WP while simultaneously chatting via Skype or something similar. It paints a rather sad picture, but it is a possibility.

Wow. This post is the best formal evidence we've seen for a DICK tag-team. Did we decide that the nominees must be admins?

Off-topic, but the films are dreadful. Daniel Ratcliffe is a terrible actor, and I only watch them because of Emma Watson.

Well, the story only really requires Ratcliffe to manage a look of earnest grimness. I don't know if he's capable of a really convincing [B] look of surprise and awe-- but that's what Grint/Weasley (a better actor than either of the other kids) is for.

Because you think she'd make a good babysitter, I presume?

Me too.

"Radcliffe"


I agree. Good work, PD. Whether they are admins or not, this whole situation stinks.

Wouldn't it be funny if Panyd is really a guy in drag?

Milton Berle would think so.

Probably the tandem editors use IM or facebook chat or sumfin like.

Good luck finding proof of that.

Funny to who?

It seems evident that Chase Me exaggerated his involvement in the British military, but that's not a hanging offence. At least it's no longer a hanging offence. Should he be an arbitrator? Probably not, but that hardly makes him unique.

No, but finding out that he's a naval dogsbody on a stone frigate in Birmingham, U.K., is really funny. In a way, it's funnier than if he wasn't in the military at all. He's just so incredibly junior and unimportant. It's like he occupies that part of the military totem pole that is below the ground.

Yeah but on the internet, nobody knows you're a dogsbody.

Well, to us, of course.

Personally, I imagine Panyd to be the 21st century equivalent of Miss Peggy Guy:

Speaking of Bobby Van, according to Wikipedia's disambiguation page about Bobby Van, he was an "American musical actor well known throughout the 1950s and 1970s."

I guess he went into hiding during the 1960s.



Wikipedia: always improving, and quickly.

Damn, I missed another one. Very good.

Tell Somey to put this in the tag-line with a link to this thread.

Have you read the actual Bobby Van article? What a disaster!

"Tell him" yerself. Somey doesn't listen to me any more than you, so far as I can tell. Although I second the idea of putting this up as a thread subtitle somewhere.

Indeed.

No results found for "on the internet, nobody knows you're a dogsbody".

Seconded.

So we can use this as a thread subtitle, since Madame Panyderfly seems to be a resident of the U.S. who occasionally visits London.

Ah, Chase Me-- a girl in every port, he has! If only HMS Forward weren't permanently becalmed in the Horselaugh Latitudes.

You are cruel fellows, every one of you a knave.

Hast thou no finer feelings?

Is mockery thy only trade?

Well, when you consider the commodity that we're trading in...

Cease thy inglorious trading. Be not unkind unto thy fellow creatures and superate thy baser nature.

What for? The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools.

Milton Social Darwinist Roe

Better a world of fools than a world of cynics.

No, I think I'd much rather a world of cynics, as fools make very poor professonals.

Personally, I don't think I've ever known a very-competent person over the age of 40 who wasn't also pretty cynical about the world. They might exist, it's just that I haven't met any.

Warren Buffett: "If you're in a poker game for 15 minutes and you haven't yet identified the mark, then you're the mark." I admit I haven't ever met Mr. Buffett, but something tells me that he's no danger of being the exception to my rule, either.

Of course, there's the saying "An optimist is a pessimist who hasn't run into the real world yet"

And also the quote (I think by einstein).. "We try to make the world a more fool-proof place. The universe tries to make bigger fools. So far, the universe is winning")