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QUOTE

> To: wikiwatch AT sbcglobal.net
> From: Jimmy Wales <jwales AT wikia.com>
> Subject: Do you want to be unblocked at Wikipedia?
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:34:29 +0200
>
>
> Apparently, your article was deleted via AfD. I understand that you
> don't want to be blocked from Wikipedia, but you also don't intend to
> edit Wikipedia.
>
> Shall I unblock you?


Mr. Wales:

Thank you for your offer.

The AfD closing admin redirected the Daniel_Brandt biography to an
article on NameBase. The voting which isn't a vote, but under Wikipedia's
curious process merely a method of arriving at consensus, was by my count
about 54 percent in favor of a delete. There is still strong opposition
to a delete on the grounds that 54 percent does not suggest a consensus
to delete, which is why the closing admin went for the redirect.

It appears that the DRV, which is now underway, will sustain this.
The redirect was changed today from NameBase to an article on
Public Information Research. The feeling was, apparently, that the
PIR article provides wider latitude to develop new content about me
and/or websites controlled by me.

I am not happy about any redirect, and will be monitoring the development
of the PIR article. It may be necessary for me to point out defamatory
edits as they occur, whether this is in my capacity as the president
of PIR, or in my capacity as a living person.

The reason that I am not happy with the redirect is that I feel the old
Daniel_Brandt link, which is already in wide use both on and off Wikipedia,
will continue to show high rankings in the search engines. It would be
preferable if Wikipedia returned empty content for this page rather than
a redirect.

You are correct that I have no intention of editing Wikipedia apart from
the need to monitor content relevant to PIR or me. But I would like to
be unblocked, as this will prevent the removal of any comments that
I'd otherwise have to make as a "banned" user.

Regards,
Daniel Brandt

Cedric
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sat 16th June 2007, 6:03am) *

QUOTE

> To: wikiwatch AT sbcglobal.net
> From: Jimmy Wales <jwales AT wikia.com>
> Subject: Do you want to be unblocked at Wikipedia?
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:34:29 +0200
>
>
> Apparently, your article was deleted via AfD. I understand that you
> don't want to be blocked from Wikipedia, but you also don't intend to
> edit Wikipedia.
>
> Shall I unblock you?


Hmmmmm . . . What is he playing at? I wonder about that, and about why the "Sole Founder" does not know the difference between "delete" and "redirect" or "merge". rolleyes.gif
Jonny Cache
Inquiring Minds Want To Know :

Does Angelina Jolie Want To Have His Baby !?

Things are looking up, Daniel — this has got to be the nicest thing any Wikipediot has ever said about you.

Jonny cool.gif
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Cedric @ Sun 17th June 2007, 8:04am) *

[mmmmm . . . What is he playing at? I wonder about that, and about why the "Sole Founder" does not know the difference between "delete" and "redirect" or "merge". rolleyes.gif


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Sole Flounder, Wikipedia
Daniel Brandt
QUOTE

June 17, 2007
Mr. Jimmy Wales
Wikimedia Foundation

Dear Mr. Wales:

It is essential that I be unblocked immediately so that I am
able to comment on the Public Information Research talk page
as a non-banned user.

Google is already showing the PIR page in the number one spot
in a search for my name. The first sentence of this page reads
as follows:

"Public Information Research, Inc. (PIR) claims to be a 501c(3)
nonprofit, tax-exempt public charity, although no record for it
exists in IRS publication 78."

While this is technically true, it is damaging to PIR and sheds
a false light on the situation. The fact of the matter is that
small 501c(3) organizations such as ours, which are not
required to file annual information returns because gross
annual revenue is under $25,000, are frequently not listed
in publication 78.

We have a determination letter from the IRS, as shown here:
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/irsinfo.html

The first sentence in that PIR article is poorly researched
at best, and libelous at worst. It places every name in our staff
box on the defensive. Can you imagine the impact this sentence
will have on any potential donors who see it?

Please unblock me as soon as possible.

I also urge you to kill the redirect from the Daniel_Brandt
article to the PIR page, so that the ubiquitous and high-ranking
links to Daniel_Brandt return empty content. This may be the best
way for the Wikipmedia Foundation to avoid future liability,
as the numbers of those searching for "Public Information
Research," as opposed to those searching for "Daniel Brandt,"
are few and far between.

Also, it would mean that I don't have to watch the PIR page
every day for the rest of my life.

Regards,
Daniel Brandt
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sun 17th June 2007, 1:40pm) *

QUOTE

June 17, 2007
Mr. Jimmy Wales
Wikimedia Foundation

Dear Mr. Wales:

It is essential that I be unblocked immediately so that I am
able to comment on the Public Information Research talk page
as a non-banned user.

Google is already showing the PIR page in the number one spot
in a search for my name. The first sentence of this page reads
as follows:

"Public Information Research, Inc. (PIR) claims to be a 501c(3)
nonprofit, tax-exempt public charity, although no record for it
exists in IRS publication 78."

While this is technically true, it is damaging to PIR and sheds
a false light on the situation. The fact of the matter is that
small 501c(3) organizations such as ours, which are not
required to file annual information returns because gross
annual revenue is under $25,000, are frequently not listed
in publication 78.

We have a determination letter from the IRS, as shown here:
http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/irsinfo.html

The first sentence in that PIR article is poorly researched
at best, and libelous at worst. It places every name in our staff
box on the defensive. Can you imagine the impact this sentence
will have on any potential donors who see it?

Please unblock me as soon as possible.

I also urge you to kill the redirect from the Daniel_Brandt
article to the PIR page, so that the ubiquitous and high-ranking
links to Daniel_Brandt return empty content. This may be the best
way for the Wikipmedia Foundation to avoid future liability,
as the numbers of those searching for "Public Information
Research," as opposed to those searching for "Daniel Brandt,"
are few and far between.

Also, it would mean that I don't have to watch the PIR page
every day for the rest of my life.

Regards,
Daniel Brandt



Good ole' Slim made many changes. I don't encourage dealing with defamation/false light issues through "community" participation, including editing, but jeez, the reference to "publication 78" is flagrant original research on a level that screams "clueless."
dtobias
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Sun 17th June 2007, 3:40pm) *

I also urge you to kill the redirect from the Daniel_Brandt
article to the PIR page, so that the ubiquitous and high-ranking
links to Daniel_Brandt return empty content. This may be the best
way for the Wikipmedia Foundation to avoid future liability,
as the numbers of those searching for "Public Information
Research," as opposed to those searching for "Daniel Brandt,"
are few and far between.


Normally, the fact that people are actually likely to be searching for a particular name is a reason in favor of having a redirect from it (in cases where for whatever reason the name itself is deemed unsuitable for a full article). Here, you're claiming that your name is of more interest to the public than your organization's name, which would seem to undermine any AfD claims that you're non-notable (if the organization is notable, and you're of more interest to the public than the organization, then doesn't that make you notable?). It would take a good deal of Bizarro-world logic to get from there to a grounds to remove the redirect from the name people are searching for to a page that is relevant to it.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(dtobias @ Sun 17th June 2007, 10:20pm) *

Normally, the fact that people are actually likely to be searching for a particular name is a reason in favor of having a redirect from it (in cases where for whatever reason the name itself is deemed unsuitable for a full article). Here, you're claiming that your name is of more interest to the public than your organization's name, which would seem to undermine any AfD claims that you're non-notable (if the organization is notable, and you're of more interest to the public than the organization, then doesn't that make you notable?). It would take a good deal of Bizarro-world logic to get from there to a grounds to remove the redirect from the name people are searching for to a page that is relevant to it.



Danny Boy, the problem is that the redirect is not an HTTP redirect, it is a software redirect performed by the Wikimedia software. You don't need me to tell you (and I'm a bit to drunk to spell it out, after all I have two weeks of NOTHING ahead) why this is significant in google terms...
Daniel Brandt
QUOTE(Unrepentant Vandal @ Sun 17th June 2007, 4:53pm) *

The problem is that the redirect is not an HTTP redirect, it is a software redirect performed by the Wikimedia software. You don't need me to tell you ... why this is significant in google terms...

That's right. Google still sees a "HTTP/1.0 200 OK" on the Daniel_Brandt redirect, not a 301. But now it's a little article with Public Information Research in the title. Everything else is normal as far as the search engines can see.

Let me explain this to Tobias in terms that he will understand.

It's like this: You have a class of third-graders in a school called "Daniel Brandt Elementary," and every editor in class has their own box of colored chalk, but no one has any erasers. After 20 months, the chalk board is so full of chalk, that nothing can been seen when you write something new on the board. The kiddies get bored and start throwing the chalk at each other.

Now the teacher comes in and erases the chalk board, and writes Public Information Research in tiny letters in the corner, and leaves the room. The Wikipedians scurry to pick up the chalk they've been throwing around, and start writing immature stuff about how they hate school on the chalk board again. When the Google van drives by with the spycam on top, the school is still "Daniel Brandt Elementary," and it snaps pics through the window just like always.

What the hell does any of this have to do with "notability"?

Headers from the current Daniel_Brandt link
CODE

C:\TEMP>curl -I "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Brandt"
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:39:51 GMT
Server: Apache
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.1.2
Content-Language: en
Vary: Accept-Encoding,Cookie
Cache-Control: private, s-maxage=0, max-age=0, must-revalidate
Last-Modified: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:51:07 GMT
Content-Length: 19176
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
X-Cache: MISS from sq39.wikimedia.org
X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from sq39.wikimedia.org:3128
X-Cache: MISS from sq38.wikimedia.org
X-Cache-Lookup: MISS from sq38.wikimedia.org:80
Via: 1.0 sq39.wikimedia.org:3128 (squid/2.6.STABLE12), 1.0 sq38.wikimedia.org:80 (squid/2.6.STABLE12)
Connection: close

Robster
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Sun 17th June 2007, 1:14pm) *

Things are looking up, Daniel — this has got to be the nicest thing any Wikipediot has ever said about you.


It should be noted that... (1) [[User:Anittas]] is from Romania, where for several decades nobody had any right to anything, so it's certainly possible that this user doesn't understand the concept of personal rights (evidence for which is an April 2007 slap-on-the-wrist for revealing personal information about another editor without their permission)... and (2) there may be the slightest hint of a grudge, as this extract from Anittas' user page would indicate...

QUOTE

Between June 5, 2006 and February 23, 2007, I was banned. Jimbo Wales had banned me because of my refusal to apologize for a photo that I had posted, and which he considered as offensive. The altered photo was published on Daniel Brandt's site, Wikipedia Watch, in a section called "The Wikipedia Hive Mind Chat Room." During this time, my contribution on Wiki was very limited:—I sometimes used proxy editors that would post my material.


If I hadn't decided not to participate in DRVs, owing to the fact that I would be immediately attacked for being a WR member, I would ask why the WP community should consider the opinion of someone who publicly admits to ban-evading...
Daniel Brandt
QUOTE(Robster @ Sun 17th June 2007, 6:24pm) *

QUOTE

Between June 5, 2006 and February 23, 2007, I was banned. Jimbo Wales had banned me because of my refusal to apologize for a photo that I had posted, and which he considered as offensive. The altered photo was published on Daniel Brandt's site, Wikipedia Watch, in a section called "The Wikipedia Hive Mind Chat Room." During this time, my contribution on Wiki was very limited:—I sometimes used proxy editors that would post my material.

The picture was quite funny. It's now at the top of this page.
Jonny Cache
I think it would be a public service if someone could explain all that booming buzzing indirection biz in terms that even a cub reporter from the Daily Boogle could explain to its readers, 'cause many of them probably flunked out of Brandt Elementary, My Dear Watson.

Jonny cool.gif
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