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KStreetSlave
$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.
Hoooooolllllyyyyy shit.


What is going on over there with the convenient $6000 rental of office space from Wikia, matched by an oh-so-convenient balancing of $6000 worth of internet sharing. I thought that they're completely separate organizations other than the shared board members and employees.

Jesus fucking christ, this is ridiculous. ZERO dollars in grants this year?
the fieryangel
QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 5:45pm) *

Jesus fucking christ, this is ridiculous. ZERO dollars in grants this year?


Look, it's simple:

With those kinds of numbers and a convicted felon as their COO, what self-respecting foundation would give them a grant?

Also, they couldn't get their act together to write any propropsals, much less actually get any grant money.

For anyone who can read a budget, this audit speaks volumes.

Now, under which column is Floflo's childcare expenses accounted???
gomi
QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 8:45am) *

$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.

Hey -- don't take Jimbo's First Class tickets away! He needs to see the world!
the fieryangel
Something to throw in the hopper, for whatever its worth...

A deleted thread :

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Whistleblower: Wikimedia has been squandering your donations.

Based on a certain inside informer I know, I have learned that in 2007, the Wikimedia Foundation has been squandering your donations. This is not a "conspiracy theory," like the stuff said about Overstock.com, Wikipedia Review, or Wikia. I also don't expect you to take my word for it, because what I'm saying here will be proven once the financial report for FY 2007 is released.

It's important to note: This is not even a conspiracy, because those running the Foundation did not do this intentionally ("Let's use the donations to buy the Eiffel Tower! Mwahahaha!"), but rather, it was just simply unintentional mismanagement by ineffective leaders, who are unwilling to even be open about these issues. They know what they've done, they're embarrassed about it, and they're afraid of criticism. If there was actually a conspiracy going on here, then the FY 2007 financial report would've been released on time with fraudulent information. The Foundation, though, is not run by criminals and their auditors are honest. As soon as this report is released, whenever it is released, my statements here will be confirmed. If you don't trust me, that's reasonable. Just wait for the report.

Now, here's how I came by this inside information. There were some startling facts surrounding the Wikipedia project (as I've remarked before):

* They don't have the resources to collect statistics and any reasonable explanation for this is rooted in some fault of the Foundation. Arguments that it's the server's fault, that it would cost far too much, that it's the community's responsibility, or would not be worth it seem spurious.
* Most of Wikipedia's resources, as I've heard, are donated by their tech support guy, Brion.
* From time-to-time, on regular Wikipedia, there are bizarre random errors. They usually go away, but still, an organization with well over a million dollars (if not several million) ought to be able to keep a clean database, with more than "one great tech guy" who never sleeps. Brion, as I understand it, is like the Greek god, Atlas, holding up Wikipedia on his back, while there are tons of people that aren't apparently pulling their weight or are basically resting on Brion's back.
* Several options were taken away from the Wikimedia Commons, again, on the grounds that there is a "technical problem."
* They're moving to San Francisco and, during this process, they've shuffled their staff around a lot, hiring and firing a fair amount of people.
* The biggest red flag of all: Their financial report for FY 2007 is over 6 months late in being published. They published the report on time, in every past year.

Based on these facts, I spoke with several members of the so-called "inner circle" of Wikipedia, did some digging, and one of them accidentally confirmed my suspicions, but then followed up by saying, "But don't tell anyone about this."

Well, now I'm blowing the whistle and telling the community, because they have a right to know. Those who truly believe in copyleft should expect this kind of thing to happen, because an inherent part of copyleft is recognizign the fact that information is intrinsically free. No institution, whether public or private, can truly keep secrets like this forever because information is intrinsically free and belongs to everyone.

My proposals:

* The Foundation should explain the above to the community immediately and apologize for their actions.
* Financial reports by Wikimedia should be more detailed than they are presently
* Criteria should be set to either reward or punish members of the board for either meeting goals or failing to meet them.
* A new board of trustees should be elected by the community. Of course, because I'm not a crazy guy who wants the current board members to be homeless, they should be given a reasonable amount of time to find new employment before being replaced, likely with some reasonable kind of Severance package.
* The Foundation should give back our membership, with a small monthly or annual fee for supporting Wikimedia.
* Archive.org should be allowed to archive Wikimedia for the sake of accountability to the public. It would cost a minimal amount of resources and it was cut in mid-2007, around the same time this nonsense with the funds started happening.

Any other recommendations are welcome. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 07:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Proof? Aside from "it's coming", that is. Plus, there are better places to address mismanagement. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:33, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

For a guy who's so well-informed, you seem remarkably ignorant of the fact that trustees do not draw a salary for their work. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 07:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
(ec)My recommendation would be to wait and see what happens. If things are what you say they are, then eventually they will come out (like Enron) and we can't do anything to stop or reverse it. On the other hand, if we spend weeks prattling about how to prepare for something none of us can actually influence (ok, I mean those of us who couldn't found a foundation with Wikimedia's resource level), we'll probably forget about something like WP:ENC. MBisanz talk 07:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

That also might explain why this was posted today Wikimedia finance report for 2007 with a clean audit report and what appears to be normal financial disclosures. MBisanz talk 07:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I've just read the relevant bits of the audited financials (in real life I'm the business manager for a non-profit with a budget of half a million dollars; take that for what it's worth). Expenses increased a great deal during the last year. This increase was nearly matched by revenues. The Foundation is, by any measure available in the financial statements, in much better shape than it was at the end of fiscal 2006. That's not to say that the Foundation isn't squandering donations - that's impossible to tell from just that financial statement - but if it is, it certainly doesn't appear to be doing so in a way that jeopardizes the Foundation's financial health. I don't see the smoking gun, I'm afraid. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:01, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I wasn't aware that they don't draw salaries, actually. Sorry for that.

As for the report: Awesome. This data should be reliable. Gimme several minutes, folks. Let me enter this data into a spreadsheet, generate some graphs, and you'll get to see how donations have been spent.

And yes, I do feel a bit silly for the "whistleblower" thread title, without realizing the report was just published. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 08:03, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, you'll certainly be able to demonstrate to us that staff costs increased enormously (while costs in several other categories increased slightly less enormously). Does that equate to squandering? It might; there's no way to tell from the report. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Right, but the Foundation has to the best of my knowledge, announced the expansion of the staff to a large degree (I'm doubting there are any hidden employees or surprise! bonuses.) And I'm only getting my MBA in accounting, so I'll defer to Sarcasticidealist, but I'm fairly certain that auditors are required to report incidental fraud to the audit committee (which would be hard to hide in a place as small as Wikimedia) and factor in the going-concern ability of the org. If salaries were spiraling out of control, I'd expect to see that somewhere. MBisanz talk 08:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

(ec) Oh yeah, there certainly isn't any fraud here. And, like I said, there certainly isn't any evidence in the financial statement that suggests that the Foundation's ongoing viability is at risk (although the donations figures for calendar 2007 vs. calendar 2006 do give me some pause). I'm only conceding that it's possible that these spending practices are wasteful; we can't know that just from looking at the audit.
(And I suspect your accounting knowledge is superior to mine; I've taken to intermediate levels in both financial and managerial, and supplemented them with some on the job stuff, but nobody's anywhere near giving me an MBA.) Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:24, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Is it ironic that the financial statement was just posted today, according to the history at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Finance_report? - ✰ALLSTAR✰ echo 08:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

No more than a black fly in your chardonnay. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Like I said, don't take my word for it: Read through the data in the recent financial report. If you have difficulty following it, I'm working on generating charts of the results right now.

I've known about this for several days now, but was asked not to share the information publicly.

Right now, I sorta flipped out and decided, "Rawrrr!! I'm going to tell everybody anyway!!!" and I find the report was already released. Which is a good thing, actually, because now nobody here has to assume Zenwhat is telling the truth. Just read the darn report. ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 08:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, I didn't suggest their viability is at risk: Donations for Wikimedia are very strong. They have a strong in-flow of donations and this is likely to continue. What I'm saying is that they aren't adequately funding the important stuff, it's getting worse every year, and their actual budget looks nothing like their proposed budget, which had 40% of spending being on "technology." ☯ Zenwhat (talk) 08:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

A category which, according to the graphical representation of their budget for fiscal '08 (I can't find the one for '07 - do you have it?) includes some salary. Since those categories don't correspond to the categories in the audited financials, it's pretty much impossible to draw conclusions from them.
Also, as noted above, I'm not sure I agree with you about donations; donations in calendary 2007 appear to have fallen almost by half from calendar 2006. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 08:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


Daniel Brandt
QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 10:45am) *

$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.

I didn't even know that St.Petersburg had limo service that expensive! Obviously, the Foundation made a mistake here. They could have saved money by buying the limo outright and hiring a driver from the same temp agency where they found their bookkeeper/COO. By now that driver would have been promoted to chief lobbyist, and the Foundation would have an extra office in Washington DC.
BobbyBombastic
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Fri 8th February 2008, 5:43pm) *

QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 10:45am) *

$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.

I didn't even know that St.Petersburg had limo service that expensive! Obviously, the Foundation made a mistake here. They could have saved money by buying the limo outright and hiring a driver from the same temp agency where they found their bookkeeper/COO. By now that driver would have been promoted to chief lobbyist, and the Foundation would have an extra office in Washington DC.

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Why not just get a 13 year old volunteer to drive the limo? It would be a fine example of "the wiki way" and how credentials (like driver's licenses) don't really matter.
Cedric
QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 10:45am) *

$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.
Hoooooolllllyyyyy shit.


What is going on over there with the convenient $6000 rental of office space from Wikia, matched by an oh-so-convenient balancing of $6000 worth of internet sharing. I thought that they're completely separate organizations other than the shared board members and employees.

Jesus fucking christ, this is ridiculous. ZERO dollars in grants this year?

How much would you like to bet that the increase in travel expense is almost wholly related to all that globetrotting Jimbo was doing back then to promote the to-be lanched Wikia Search engine?
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KStreetSlave
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Fri 8th February 2008, 5:43pm) *

QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Fri 8th February 2008, 10:45am) *

$264,000 for travel? Almost TWICE what they spent last year, and it cost more than salaries in 2006.

I didn't even know that St.Petersburg had limo service that expensive! Obviously, the Foundation made a mistake here. They could have saved money by buying the limo outright and hiring a driver from the same temp agency where they found their bookkeeper/COO. By now that driver would have been promoted to chief lobbyist, and the Foundation would have an extra office in Washington DC.

Said limo driver by now would be a serial killer.
Daniel Brandt
I heard that half of the trustees who where mailed plane tickets to St. Petersburg for a meeting ended up in St. Petersburg, Russia. Then when they finally arrived in Florida from Russia, they were detained by U.S. Customs officers who googled them at the airport. The officers discovered them on wikimediafoundation.org, and after reading more about Wikipedia, they unilaterally decided that these trustees shouldn't be admitted into the U.S. because Wikipedia is a danger to the public. It took a day before Godking & Godwin could spring them.

But every cloud has a silver lining. The recent Wikimedia policy that invokes ten times the normal per diem for any border problems kicked in. Even the limo service was happy — they were on the clock the whole time waiting for their customers to emerge from the airport terminal.

What a confusing mess! They all got drunk and had a good laugh over it. Carolyn paid for round after round, and lifted her glass for a toast: "Until the next time we go through Customs!"

(Your turn, Somey.)
thekohser
I just gave the WikBack a gem of a post, regarding the relative weight of the WMF's quarter-million-dollar travel tab.

My apologies to Wikipedia Review for my posting the comparison there, where it will be mostly wasted in mindless rebuttals, rather than posted here, where it will be contemplated and appreciated. What was I thinking?

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Quick comparison time:

According to Page 4 of the 2006 audit of The Hunger Project -- a supposedly controversial California-founded, Manhattan-based non-profit committed to the sustainable end of world hunger, active in thirteen countries in Africa, Asia, and Latin America -- the total for Travel and related costs was just under $771,000.

This was out of a total expense budget of $10.65 million, or about a 7% share. Wikimedia Foundation allocated nearly 13% of its expenses to Travel.

Here's the rub, though. The Hunger Project actually does most of its work overseas in difficult-to-reach countries, and its Board of Directors and Officers is truly global and is comprised of 19 people, not 5 or 6. The Hunger Project also has 118 employees who (presumably) submit travel expense reimbursements, not just a half-dozen or so staff as was present at the WMF last year.

You think getting a business class ticket to Holland is expensive? Try getting a coach class ticket to Burkina Faso!

Similarly, the NGO Africare spent nearly $2.3 million for Travel in 2005, out of nearly $48 million in total expenses, or less than 5%. That included travel related to food security, refugee assistance, water resources development and irrigation projects in Africa. What was the WMF's travel related to? Getting white Board members together in Holland, and helping nerds assemble in Taipei?

Please, spare me and everyone else the excuses for why the WMF spent more than a quarter million dollars on travel before the staff even started to expand a few months ago. Don't force me to compare this allocation with another non-profit with less than $2.1 million in total expenses. You won't be pleased.

I'm getting the feeling that my efforts here at WikBack are mostly wasted. You wonder why Wikipedia Review is better?
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Give them some credit. For example, check out this post by SV:
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One thing that concerned me was the traveling expenses. I understand the board went to Holland for a board meeting? Why would that ever be necessary? I don't think it's fair to take money from the public, then spend it like that, especially when you imagine that a lot of the people who give money are likely to be kids giving very small sums.


Good point, yes? It's astounding how incompetent WMF is. There's just nothing more to say about it.
Proabivouac
QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Fri 8th February 2008, 11:11pm) *

Why not just get a 13 year old volunteer to drive the limo? It would be a fine example of "the wiki way" and how credentials (like driver's licenses) don't really matter.

Heh.
thekohser
Over on the WikBack, Mtmelendez made a fine point:

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Lastly, umm.... where's the management letter? It's the management letter which identifies problems and specific areas for improvement in how the WMF is run. The WMF released it last year with the financial statements (though they were in no way required to so), and I noticed that most findings identified by the auditors were lack of documentation of internal control systems (which seems to have improved based on foundation communications). I'd very much like to see an update on that, as well as any new situations encountered.

The SAS standards require auditors to submit the management letter 60 days after the the F/S submission (which was 1/22/2008). Let's wait and see if it's released from here to March 22.
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