user susanbryce, the author of the Human trafficking in Angeles City article, is now back to editing wikipedia and trying to push her paranoid sex slave agenda again. she had been missing for quite a while since her human trafficking article was deleted.

after pointing out problems with her article to people here and getting some great help a few said that this may be an editor to keep an eye on.

if you want me to supply a few of her recent edits i will but you can pretty much just pick any one of them you like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...ions/Susanbryce

for instance, she is saying that 93% of japanese visitors are sex tourists, discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Human_tr...nes#Sex_Tourism

she changes that 3 HIV positive girls are counseling commercial sex workers (as stated in reference) to women and children trafficked into prostitution. Says they were infected in the prostitution trade in Angeles without citations, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=208567672

she also is extremely paranoid about people correcting her errors. anyone that corrects an error is "following her around and removing everything i post" and she notifies the admins. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=208685297

also, i am rodentofdeath (as i stated before) and i am banned. she accuses everyone of fixing her errors of being me in an attempt to silence them and get them banned as sockpuppets.

Human trafficking in the Philippines is a mess.

Because "that's a completely new strategy"

it seems to be working. i am neither of the two users accused of being sockpuppets. susanbryce states that is 100% that one user is me due to having the same edit histories. yet there is only one article that appears in the accused users edit history that i have ever edited. (another statistic of hers with no basis in fact).

i see why Edg and susanbryce accuse anyone that corrects one of their edits of being a sockpuppet of a banned user. it works. anyone questioning them is immediately silenced.

interestingly enough, i was banned for a year for calling susanbryce "nuts" (actually what i said was that other editors think she is nuts) and for posting a a fictional story on my web page that was a response to a fictional story on her web page.

now susanbryce goes around blatantly calling me a "psychopathic stalker" several times and nobody even blinks. She also makes claims of things i never did such as calling her a lesbian, etc. much less do it 1000 times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=209124358
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...4#RodentofDeath


She states in error that there was some type of "ip matching" (check user i am assuming and it came up negative) to prove another user was me. This was in order to get that user banned and probably extend my ban again. Hey, it worked the first time she complained and my ban was extended even though it wasnt me. Why not try it again and get another user unjustly banned and my ban extended. Actually, thinking back it may have been two users she got banned. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=209157339
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=208782392

Since she is so busy constantly checking up on me i decided to see how she was doing with her part of the arbcom results. I noticed that the result of arbitration to "remind" her that wikipedia is not a platform for soapboxing seems to have been forgotten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=209241381
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=209242969

No comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Susanbryce/policy-workshop

Actually, i dont mind that. If it does some good than that's great. Perhaps there does need to be a policy on it.

There's still no justification for calling me a psychopathic stalker when i simply put my user name, RodentofDeath, into the search box. One of the first things she did when i made my first wikipedia edits was to accuse me of stalking, harrassing and erasing everything she ever did on wikipedia. Perhaps there needs to be a policy on false accusations too.

Difficult to make a judgment in these cases. From what I've looked at, the Bryce articles tend to look like advertisements for charitable work rather than encyclopedia entries. I don't care much about who is rude to who (nothing wrong with that) but I do care about accuracy. But how do we judge in this case? Never been to the Phillipines, don't know much about it.

Actually this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=149382681

looks key. From all the appearances (and I do say appearances) it is a bit nutcase-ish. But this is just the sort of thing the Arbs will seize on and pronounce damnation. From bitter experience, I would say, don't be rude. (OK I am contradicting myself).

And what is this



Is that true?

And there is this - petition online, can't always be trusted

http://www.petitiononline.com/44441212/petition.html

And this, which is not obviously biased

http://www.crazymalc.co.nz/2007/May/10May/10May.htm

its not true on a few levels, probably most obvious being that there are no "pedophile bars" on fields ave. As far as i know from asking around (original reasearch!!) there has never been a major fire at any of the bars nor has anyone been killed, child or otherwise. There was a fire on the outside of one bar that started when a neon sign caught fire. It spread to the roof of a neighboring building. There was no significant damage and both bars opened the following night.

Also, as pointed out many times, everyone working in the bar is over 18. Employees are required to be certified by the NBI (philippines version of FBI) that they are over 18 and they are fingerprinted and issued working licenses with the photos and fingerprints on them. Licenses must be worn at all times and there are regular inspections by multitudes of government agencies, religious groups and NGOs. There's almost as many people walking around with clip boards as there are bar patrons. There is no nudity in allowed the bars. The girls usually wear bikinis or skimpy shorts and a tight shirt.

There are rich customers (foreign and filipino) mingling with young, poor girls. Certainly prostitution does occur. Anyone denying that is just as crazy anyone claiming children are kept in cages for sex. the level of how much sex for money is occuring is less clear as certainly not all girls are prostitutes.

The average income for a Filipino family is around 4000 to 6000 pesos a month, i believe. The current exchange rate is 42p per US dollar. Girls in the bar usually make about 200p in base salary a day. Many work 6 or 7 days a week. There is also commission paid on ladies drinks sold. This is where a customer buys a girl and overpriced drink and she sits with him for a few minutes. Commission on ladies drinks is usually around 50p to 100p per drink. Attractive girls can sell about 20 drinks a night on a good night. If you do the math it comes out to be close to half a month's average salary per night.

If a customer really likes a girl he can pay the bar and "Early Work Release" which means the girl is then free to leave her bar with the customer. The girl gets half the money paid to the bar which is around 1500p to 3000p. This is where the line becomes blurry as to who is a prostitute and who is not as some girls will promise a customer sex if they pay for her to leave the bar. Certainly all girls will not as a large percentage of girls are still virgins and plan to be until they get married. I would guess about 10 percent of the girls in the bars are virgins. It's easy to know which ones are virgins because there's a huge red "V" on their license. Yes, apparently a doctor check is required for the "V".

So there you have probably more information than you ever wanted to know about go-go bars near the former largest air force base outside the USA. Sorry if this view doesnt fit the "girls chained to beds" and "150,000 of the 280,000 residents of Angeles are prostitutes" picture painted by susanbryce.

You may be asking how i know so much information. I live here in Angeles. Up until recently I owned a business on Clark and would walk through the area susanbryce is concerned about at least twice a day coming from and going to that business. Sometimes I would even eat lunch in this area as this is where to find the best food and best service. No, i have no connection to any bar and my business has nothing to do with them.

I am engaged to a lovely filipina. Her cousin and most of her cousin's friends work in the bars, as do many pretty college age girls in the area. I just walked across the hallway and banged on her bedroom door at 6am to verify the wages she makes. (more original research!!). She's not too happy with me at this moment.

I'll leave the racist and anti-american statements made by susanbryce for everyone else to decide. did you notice how its always white foreigners creating the problems in the philippines even though most tourists are asian? i had a good laugh when she first put the story of how she saved a child from the clutches a foreign pedophile on her user page. she immediately knew just by looking at the guy that he was a pedophile.

OK point taken. So where does that leave us? The wiki model, i.e. of Darwinian forces acting to drive out the crap and leave the good, seems to have failed us. Whatever they say, Wikipedia is a Western, predominantly US phenomenon.

Or so I assume. How many people in the Phillipines use Wikipedia?



Gross.

In 2004, there were 3.6 million personal computers in the country or 4.6 computers per 100 individuals........six out of every 100 (individuals) have access to the Internet.
http://www.mylatorres.com/the-real-digital...he-philippines/

Those that do have access would be much more likely to fail a checkuser inquiry than someone in America. I have two choices for internet service providers where i live. One assigns a dynamic IP. The other puts the user on a local network. Your assigned IP is 192.168.X.X. I'm no expert but i am assuming that this means hundreds or even thousands of users.... perhaps everyone from that ISP?.... can share one IP address. I know for a fact that all of the accusations of people being me are false because I obviously know I didnt post. Of course i can't prove that to anyone else though.

So anyone that complains from Angeles that the Wikipedia articles about Angeles are not accurate gets reported by susanbryce as a sockpuppet of RodentofDeath. When the checkuser is done of course there are similarities as people in Angeles only have 2 choices of internet providers.

It would be interesting to see a checkuser done on susanbryce to see if it's a sockpuppet of RodentofDeath. Maybe she can be banned as a sockpuppet of me!! Wouldnt that be hilarious?!!

A different kind of scarlet letter, that's for sure. But this sort of formal check on behalf of a civil proceeding is older than Joan "of" Arc, and as modern as Diana Spencer. Selective breeding and witchfinding is most of what our brains do, as I have remarked.

Apparently also, what is known as the "dry hustle" is about as old as the world's oldest profession. This is just one more, ahem, userbox of a WP:V type. Interesting.

This is all very ironic in view of all those dim-witted campaigns on Wikipedia to remove American and Western bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Susanbryce/about

I read about this person and think she is doing good things for her people of the Phillipines and all children that have no voice and no choice.

As always, there are 3 sides to every story...my side, your side, and the truth.

the problem is getting at the 3rd of those. What say you to Goober's convincing rationale of all this, and don't you think the Susanbryce version is somewhat overdone? (I use 'somewhat' in the British English sense).

While getting to the ground truth is often difficult, there are some good models for it, including the Truth and Reconciliation Process.

i'm all for helping the children. in fact i do so on a regular basis by contributing to organizations such as Bahay Bata in Angeles and the International Red Cross. I am currently sponsoring six victims of the 2006 mudslide in Leyte so they can complete their college education after their entire families were wiped out. I also sent all the male workers of my business to Leyte to help construct the re-settlement community which is now finally 100% complete. I was probably the first foreigner on the scene there and can't begin to describe the devastation. It was a life changing experience for me. I helped translate when the US Marines arrived at the start of the relief effort and all i can say is without there efforts complete chaos and anarchy would have followed. GOD BLESS THE MARINES. I don't wish to toot my own horn or receive any praise or recognition for this. In fact, most of what I have done was done anonymously. I am only telling you this to show that I have at least of general idea of what is needed in this country.

Creating lies, distorting the truth and raising alarms about horrific conditions of pedophiles roaming the streets preying on children, children chained to beds and in cages along with estimates that over 50% of the population of a city of 280,000 people are prostitutes is not helping anyone if they are complete works of fiction. In fact, it is taking resources away from problems that actually DO EXIST. There are literally dozens of people ensuring all the bars are in compliance with law. They show up almost nightly in nice freshly painted vehicles with fancy stickers on the sides for one children's organizations or another and wander around the bars looking for underage workers. Other than an incident in 2003 where they found two they seem to always come up empty handed.

Meanwhile, one mile away in a squatter area kids cant get clean drinking water. I wonder how much the water supply could have been extended with the money for those fancy stickers.

I have challenged susanbryce repeatedly to give solid information on where any of these atrocities are happening and i will immediately go there with law enforcement and have it stopped. She has repeatedly refused to divulge where we can go to stop this.

The Senate of the Philippines has requested information on where any of her claims are happening. She has also declined to give them any information. http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/200...26_revilla1.asp

There are plenty of people doing wonderful things for this country. susanbryce is NOT one of them.