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By Catalin Cimpanu, Web News Editor Yesterday, July 16th, members and contributors for the Wikimedia Foundation, owner of Wikipedia, met with National ...

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thekohser
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"Wikipedia intends to limit the amount of health information submitted to the website by regular inexperienced users, and to reference, check and correct any health-related topics with the help of NIH specialists."

This may be the "intention" of the people attending the conference, but I assure you that this will never become a widespread Wikipedia community policy of any sort.


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"NIH works to ensure that the information it provides on science and health is of the highest quality and reaches the widest audience. We look forward to this opportunity to collaborate with the Wikimedia Foundation and participate in a resource that is used by millions of people around the world," John Burklow, NIH associate director for communications and public liaison, commented.

The NIH has no earthly idea the rat's nest in which they're settling.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 18th July 2009, 7:54am) *

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"Wikipedia intends to limit the amount of health information submitted to the website by regular inexperienced users, and to reference, check and correct any health-related topics with the help of NIH specialists."

This may be the "intention" of the people attending the conference, but I assure you that this will never become a widespread Wikipedia community policy of any sort.


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"NIH works to ensure that the information it provides on science and health is of the highest quality and reaches the widest audience. We look forward to this opportunity to collaborate with the Wikimedia Foundation and participate in a resource that is used by millions of people around the world," John Burklow, NIH associate director for communications and public liaison, commented.

The NIH has no earthly idea the rat's nest in which they're settling.


Exactly right Greg, and here is the reason:

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Yesterday, July 16th, members and contributors for the Wikimedia Foundation, owner of Wikipedia, met with National Institute of Health (NIH) representatives to discuss the portrayal of health and medical information on the above mentioned online encyclopedia.


This group, momentarily well intended away from the insular "community" has no ability to deleiver any kind of reform, including assuring that NIH could possibly collaborate without the usual kind of mistreatment received by experts. These "Academies" are meant to be PR puff events to stem criticism. Despite this any kind of structured interactions between and Wikipedians and outsider are valuable, if only because the raised expectations, later dashed, will tend to build external pressure.
Kelly Martin
Wait, the Wikimedia Foundation owns Wikipedia? I thought they explicitly disavowed any sort of ownership of or control over Wikipedia....
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Sat 18th July 2009, 9:28am) *

Wait, the Wikimedia Foundation owns Wikipedia? I thought they explicitly disavowed any sort of ownership of or control over Wikipedia....


Of course they own the domain wikipedia.org, but your wider point about accountability, diffusion and even slide of hand is, as always, well taken.
Kelly Martin
It's more a sort of equivocation: Wikimedia has nothing to do with Wikipedia whenever someone is upset with something on Wikipedia that Jimmy doesn't want to change, but Wikimedia owns Wikipedia whenever Jimmy thinks he can use it to get either money or positive press attention.

It's behavior like this that gave rise to the doctrine of equitable estoppel, and one of these days that's going to bite them in the butt.
TimVickers
QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 18th July 2009, 8:54am) *

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"Wikipedia intends to limit the amount of health information submitted to the website by regular inexperienced users, and to reference, check and correct any health-related topics with the help of NIH specialists."

This may be the "intention" of the people attending the conference, but I assure you that this will never become a widespread Wikipedia community policy of any sort.


I never heard this mentioned at any point in the conference, I think the author of that piece was a little confused. As you say, that idea is not a realistic goal.

"Tom Vickers" indeed, biggrin.gif
thekohser
By "Catalin Cimpanu". I guess that's what we get when we outsource English news writing to Romanians.
TimVickers
QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 6:12am) *

By "Catalin Cimpanu". I guess that's what we get when we outsource English news writing to Romanians.


If only it were a Wiki! rolleyes.gif
thekohser
QUOTE(TimVickers @ Tue 21st July 2009, 9:30am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 6:12am) *

By "Catalin Cimpanu". I guess that's what we get when we outsource English news writing to Romanians.


If only it were a Wiki! rolleyes.gif


Yes, then it could be corrected. Then "corrected" back. Then fight over how to word the incorrect claim. Then correct it again. Then "correct" it back once again. Then watch it get republished all over the Internet by scraper sites, since it's freely licensed. That would be such an improvement to this one copyrighted mistake, attributable to a single, identifiable, non-notable journalist. You think I'm kidding?
TimVickers
QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 10:00am) *

QUOTE(TimVickers @ Tue 21st July 2009, 9:30am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 6:12am) *

By "Catalin Cimpanu". I guess that's what we get when we outsource English news writing to Romanians.


If only it were a Wiki! rolleyes.gif


Yes, then it could be corrected. Then "corrected" back. Then fight over how to word the incorrect claim. Then correct it again. Then "correct" it back once again. Then watch it get republished all over the Internet by scraper sites, since it's freely licensed. That would be such an improvement to this one copyrighted mistake, attributable to a single, identifiable, non-notable journalist. You think I'm kidding?


Thanks for pointing that mistake out, most helpful of you. If you want to do more fact-checking in the future I think there's a Wikiproject devoted to that, you might consider signing up sometime.
thekohser
QUOTE(TimVickers @ Tue 21st July 2009, 12:59pm) *

Thanks for pointing that mistake out, most helpful of you. If you want to do more fact-checking in the future I think there's a Wikiproject devoted to that, you might consider signing up sometime.


So that my checked facts can be "fixed back" at some point in the future, and so that I support a financial system that pays tax-advantaged dollars as rent to the privately-held company launched by the Foundation's founder?

Yeah... thanks, but no thanks.
sbrown
QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 9:15pm) *

So that my checked facts can be "fixed back" at some point in the future, and so that I support a financial system that pays tax-advantaged dollars as rent to the privately-held company launched by the Foundation's founder?

Yeah... thanks, but no thanks.

Sock it to them Greg! No editing unless it profits you.
thekohser
QUOTE(sbrown @ Tue 21st July 2009, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 21st July 2009, 9:15pm) *

So that my checked facts can be "fixed back" at some point in the future, and so that I support a financial system that pays tax-advantaged dollars as rent to the privately-held company launched by the Foundation's founder?

Yeah... thanks, but no thanks.

Sock it to them Greg! No editing unless it profits you.


Hey, sbrown, way to go! You missed point #1, and you missed point #2.
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