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A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:34am) *

Actually I will miss the drama quite a lot. Without Skankbone and David Gerard, and with FT2 having resigned all his bits, what entertainment value is left? Answer that question if you will.


I hear that NuclearWarfare is pretty clever when it comes to performing card tricks. smile.gif


QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 30th November 2009, 5:58pm) *

This is slightly off topic, but apparently Shankbone's Facebook account was suspended without notice earlier in the month:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#...id=192653318728


You ain't supposed to use pseudonyms for your Facebook page -- something that Brandt pointed out when Julian Colton was insisting his real name isn't Julian Colton. dry.gif

QUOTE(SirFozzie @ Mon 30th November 2009, 10:47pm) *

Tznkai has blocked for six months, and asked for a community ban.


Wow, that imbecile finally did something intelligent on WP!

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am) *

Might be forgetting something.



Well, he spread some nasty lies about me, too. However, I will gladly make a deal with him: when he stops lying about me, I'll stop telling the truth about him. biggrin.gif
Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:44am) *

Well, he spread some nasty lies about me, too. However, I will gladly make a deal with him: when he stops lying about me, I'll stop telling the truth about him. biggrin.gif


Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.

Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:47am) *

Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.

Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).


Forgive you? Petey, I've never been angry at you! smile.gif

I am sorry for putting the "Pastor" on that horrible bandwagon. That was poor judgment on my part, truly. unhappy.gif
Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:57am) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 6:47am) *

Laughter. Horse, forgive me for ever having been rude about you.

Although I still haven't quite forgiven 'Paster Theo' for voting my indef block (together with about half a dozen others who are now blocked themselves).


Forgive you? Petey, I've never been angry at you! smile.gif

I am sorry for putting the "Pastor" on that horrible bandwagon. That was poor judgment on my part, truly. unhappy.gif


I did marvel at the Pastor's edit history - a work of art, truly. Articles on horse-racing and one on wrestling, if I'm not mistaken. Very funny.
RDH(Ghost In The Machine)
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:34am) *

QUOTE

No, to reducing the block any further. This was blatant, cynical abuse of Wikipedia's rules and policies to promote himself. I will miss the content he provides. But I will not miss the drama and unhealthy environment his actions have provided. SirFozzie (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


Actually I will miss the drama quite a lot. Without Skankbone and David Gerard, and with FT2 having resigned all his bits, what entertainment value is left? Answer that question if you will.


But it's still a madhouse...
ohmy.gif
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:04am) *


I did marvel at the Pastor's edit history - a work of art, truly. Articles on horse-racing and one on wrestling, if I'm not mistaken. Very funny.


Plus articles on philately (the history of Tonga stamps, of all things!), obscure cheesy movies, and, of course, one article that no serious encyclopedia could possibly be without. Very little in the way of religion, though -- an intentional omission that absolutely no one ever questioned! biggrin.gif

Incredibly, it was Rlvese who pushed for the "Pastor" to become an admin -- and that's a guy who likes to boast about how he spots phonies that falsely claim to be Medal of Honor winners! I didn't pull the wool over his eyes -- I clobbered him with the full sheep! wink.gif
Cla68
Mr. Shankbone is toast. Who was it that said that these socks for were known by ArbCom?
carbuncle
The checkuser on Commons has unsurprisingly dug up a few more socks:
QUOTE
Results

Findings: It is Artículo bueno.svg Confirmed that

* David Shankbone (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Bucktoothed beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* IMournRuthPointer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fagle (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fat Jenny foto fixer (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* Fix Fotos (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser) ==
* I Smell Beaver (talk • contribs • Luxo's • VVV's • deleted contribs • logs • block user • block log • checkuser)

I leave it to others to review contribs and block as appropriate. Note that there was a question about Fat Jenny on en:wp ... this may help. ++Lar: t/c 12:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:58am) *

Mr. Shankbone is toast.


Wow, even Jimbo lost his patience with Mr. Miller. hmmm.gif
Robert Roberts
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:00pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 8:58am) *

Mr. Shankbone is toast.


Wow, even Jimbo lost his patience with Mr. Miller. hmmm.gif



"We have no knowledge of this operative".
carbuncle
I'm not sure what to make of the sole edit of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.
the fieryangel
Nope, there was absolutely no connection at all with Michael Lucas....



QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:58pm) *

Mr. Shankbone is toast. Who was it that said that these socks for were known by ArbCom?


Benjiboi (T-C-L-K-R-D) , on the talk page of WatchingWhales (T-C-L-K-R-D) in this diff :

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:I've removed that as this account has already been shared with Arbcom as an alt and unless there is a policy that a userbox be added it would seem to only embolden those who have nothing better to do than harass when no actual problem has been shown. If there has been a change in policy on these issues please show me the discussion so I understand where the multitudes of users with alt accounts should be shown as to how to brand themselves. [[User_talk:Benjiboi| -- <u style="font-size:14px; font-family: cursive;color:#8000FF">Banj<font color="#FF4400">e</font></u><u style="font-size:14px;font-family: Zapfino, sans-serif;color:deeppink">b<font color="#AA0022">oi</font></u>]] 23:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


Boy, he sure got that one wrong...If DS had just allowed those doppelganger account tags to be put up, none of this probably would have happened....

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm) *

I'm not sure what to make of the sole edit of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.


Well, looking at the contribution history, it wouldn't be surprising if it was...
carbuncle
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:27pm) *

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm) *

I'm not sure what to make of the sole edit of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.


Well, looking at the contribution history, it wouldn't be surprising if it was...

I only looked on at the contribs on Commons, but this diff on de.wiki confirms it:
QUOTE
I'll see what I can do. As of a week ago I've begun to do [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DavidShankbone all my work on the Commons] after repeated requests by JKelly. I just came into possession of a better camera than the one I had when I took the F Line subway photographs (a crappy Kodak Coolpix) - I have a much better Konica as of this weekend. I enjoy the challenges you presented and will let you know as I obtain them. David Shankbone --[[Benutzer:68.39.100.112|68.39.100.112]] 15:43, 4. Feb. 2007 (CET)
The Wales Hunter
Shankbone has always been a strange one.

When he was taking (admittedly less-than-professional) photographs of low-level celebrities on red carpets, he was arguably doing a good job for Wikipedia.

Even the photographs of most body parts were useful (and they weren't his own, despite some comments!). Though I did feel the taint and the penis were not encyclopaedic - not in subject matter, but in composure.

What made me really notice him was the disgraceful Israel bias. Sticking the picture of a Palestinian kid with a toy gun into an article was just blatant.

He could have carried on doing a decent job if he had stuck at his hobby point-and-snap but his ego seemed to get the better of him, which is a pity.

Edit: Then again, I had a theory DS had a connection with Essjay for a while and that was what all the "protection" was about, but I was a little wide of the mark!
Apathetic
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am) *

...
And after all that......he was finally nailed.
Not for any of those multitudinous sins, oh no.
That stuff wasn't important.

He was nailed for running sockpuppets, and lying about it.[/b]

I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.

Wikipedia's version of "tax evasion", I guess.
the fieryangel
Meanwhile, Slimmy's busy trying to get her pal unblocked :

QUOTE
George, so far I know, you've not been involved with David Shankbone. Would you mind reviewing his six-month block? I've explained the situation here. SlimVirgin 05:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


...charming, just charming....

I'm just wondering when the fun is going to start over on ED...and elsewhere...
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:03am) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 1st December 2009, 1:53am) *

He was nailed for running sockpuppets, and lying about it.

I can only conclude that Wikipedia is a sick, sick, diseased madhouse.


Wikipedia's version of "tax evasion", I guess.


Can't touch that …
A Horse With No Name
I wonder if Shankbone is going to call Chzz and ask how Chzz was able to sock his way through his own RfA, get caught and not get blocked - but, in fact, have admins come over here to defend the non-block. ermm.gif
Jon Awbrey
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:04am) *

Meanwhile, Slimmy's busy trying to get her pal unblocked:

QUOTE

George, so far I know, you've not been involved with David Shankbone. Would you mind reviewing his six-month block? I've explained the situation here. SlimVirgin 05:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


… charming, just charming …


What else would you expect from such an athletic supporter of PETA (Paparazzi for the Esthetic Treatment of Assholes)?

Ja Ja wtf.gif
Peter Damian
QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm) *


"We have no knowledge of this operative".


Who said that?
Apathetic
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am) *

QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm) *


"We have no knowledge of this operative".


Who said that?

It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.
Peter Damian
QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:31pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am) *

QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm) *


"We have no knowledge of this operative".


Who said that?

It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.


I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?
Apathetic
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am) *

QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:31pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:17am) *

QUOTE(Robert Roberts @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:07pm) *


"We have no knowledge of this operative".


Who said that?

It's a joke, obviously. Playing up the angle that Shankbone was secretly known but has been "disavowed' now that he is in the hands of a foreign power.


I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?

I'm sure similar lines have been used, but not with that exact composition. At least not according to the googz.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am) *

I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?


Actually, Kurtz's best known line truly summarizes the WP experience: The horror! The horror! evilgrin.gif
Peter Damian
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:44pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:33am) *

I'm sure it's a quotation from Vietnam era. Was it Mister Kurtz in Apocalypse now?


Actually, Kurtz's best known line truly summarizes the WP experience: The horror! The horror! evilgrin.gif



There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Brutus @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:36am) *

I wonder when the mainstream media will pick this up?


With tongs. dry.gif

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:01am) *

There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".


Seriously off-topic -- there is an utterly bizarre made-for-US TV version of "Heart of Darkness" from the 1950s starring Boris Karloff as Kurtz and Roddy McDowall as Marlow -- plus Eartha Kitt as a native girl. Watching that, you may hear a slight whirring sound -- it is Joseph Conrad spinning in his grave. blink.gif
the fieryangel
Well, golly! It was apparently all just a big misunderstanding, folks!

QUOTE
A few thoughts

I'm surprised, frankly, by how clueless I was in not thinking that these accounts would be such a firestorm. I knew there were some people who felt I should slap some sort of tag on them, but the guidelines over this are unclear. I'm also surprised that people feel I was trying to "avoid scrutiny" considering that both the two photography accounts, User:Bucktoothed beaver and User:Fat Jenny foto fixer were putting up David Shankbone photos that David Shankbone had just uploaded on Commons. User:A Knavish Bonded--an account I started specifically to 'start over' during the 2008 stalking episode until people kept pointing out it was obviously me--only was being used to re-design my User page since I decided to ditch it to return to the DS account. As Delicious carbuncle wrote, the connections were "mind-numbingly obvious". Although I was aware that creating those accounts was not optimal, if I wanted to be totally deceptive for nefarious reasons I wouldn't have done it this way.

It's probably true that to a degree these actions reflect a boredom with the site, but also an annoyance. I do find the environment here a challenge to enjoy more than it used to be for me and I probably have cared less and less whether I contribute in the way everyone else prescribes, or at all. So, I don't mind the six month block, and I don't mind if it is shortened or lengthened. In truth, the block is an effective way to help me focus on my writing and not in taking/uploading photos (something I enjoy, but takes a lot of time).

So, once everyone gets over these dastardly accounts, and the rash one-off comment that I made as Littlefoote in the midst of a tense time, I hope you'll see that for three years I spent at times up to six nights a week going to events to produce thousands of photographs so that we had some images where we used to have none.

I won't be checking back here or following any discussions on-wiki or off-wiki, but I welcome e-mails from anyone who wants to reply. In about a week I'll remove this message. I've moved on, and don't hold ill will toward anyone here (nor even at the Wikipedia Review). It's funny how when you disengage, all these silly political arguments and drahmaz cease to matter at all after a few days. I'm very proud of everything I accomplished here, and in the friends I have made on the site, but I'm also looking forward to living a less conflict-oriented existence in my spare time. My Wiki friends--for whom I feel most bummed if they were upset by the cluelessness I referenced above--know they can always call on me if they ever need something. Take care, David Shankbone 16:29, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


...Welp, we'll see how this works out, won't we?
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:41am) *

Well, golly! It was apparently all just a big misunderstanding, folks!

QUOTE
I'm very proud of everything I accomplished here...




wtf.gif
Milton Roe
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 1st December 2009, 9:12am) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:01am) *

There was a Shankbonish photo journalist in the film, played by Dennis Hopper. Willard gets to the place, Hopper, apologizing for severed heads adorning Kurtz's headquarters, says "The heads. You're looking at the heads. Sometimes he goes too far. He's the first one to admit it".


Seriously off-topic -- there is an utterly bizarre made-for-US TV version of "Heart of Darkness" from the 1950s starring Boris Karloff as Kurtz and Roddy McDowall as Marlow -- plus Eartha Kitt as a native girl. Watching that, you may hear a slight whirring sound -- it is Joseph Conrad spinning in his grave. blink.gif

I haven't seen it, but I can imagine Karloff doing a decent Kurtz. McDowall's natural part would be as the White Russian/Photographer-- you know, the guy who goes for whatever propaganda is propagated by the system he's in. (True story-- Brando refused to even be on the same set as Dennis Hopper).

Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."
CharlotteWebb
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:48pm) *

Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."

Surely you mean The Big Sleep, in which Bogart actually did play Marlowe.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 1st December 2009, 12:52pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 7:48pm) *

Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."

Surely you mean The Big Sleep, in which Bogart actually did play Marlowe.

Yep. Chandler's Marlowe is much more interesting character, much more like his version in Apocalypse. Conrad's Marlow hardly has a personality-- he's just eyes for the reader.
the fieryangel
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:34pm) *

QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:27pm) *

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 3:10pm) *

I'm not sure what to make of the sole edit of Shankbone sock Fagle on Commons: they changed the attribution from "Courtesy of Lucas Entertainment and in the Public Domain" to "David Shankbone" (with the obligatory link to his blog, of course) and with the edit summary of " we all know who this was who took it - it's in the diff history, let's give credit where credit is due". The change was undone by IP 68.39.100.112 which seems to be also controlled by Shankbone just based on the contributions. Odd.


Well, looking at the contribution history, it wouldn't be surprising if it was...

I only looked on at the contribs on Commons, but this diff on de.wiki confirms it:
QUOTE
I'll see what I can do. As of a week ago I've begun to do [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DavidShankbone all my work on the Commons] after repeated requests by JKelly. I just came into possession of a better camera than the one I had when I took the F Line subway photographs (a crappy Kodak Coolpix) - I have a much better Konica as of this weekend. I enjoy the challenges you presented and will let you know as I obtain them. David Shankbone --[[Benutzer:68.39.100.112|68.39.100.112]] 15:43, 4. Feb. 2007 (CET)



Looking up that IP on WHOIS indicates that it belongs to Comcast, which makes this edit about Greg Kohs and socking pretty funny...

QUOTE
I'm curious why you use sockpuppets on Foot fetish articles, but not
to fix cable articles? You previously left a comment with your Comcast
IP on the talk page, from the same range and the same location you
used over on Meta, and that you also used to troll me on the Chihuahua
page[1], even making a seeming threat. We can run Checkusers to verify
all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't
the way to win my love. But I have two questions: 1) why do you use
sockpuppets and meatpuppets to troll me, but you won't use them to fix
your cable company problems? The second question is how far would you
like to take this, because it is about to go further than you might be
able to imagine? --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:48pm) *

I haven't seen it, but I can imagine Karloff doing a decent Kurtz. McDowall's natural part would be as the White Russian/Photographer-- you know, the guy who goes for whatever propaganda is propagated by the system he's in. (True story-- Brando refused to even be on the same set as Dennis Hopper).

Marlow-- who would make a decent Marlow in the 50's? Well, hell, obviously Humphrey Bogart! This would be a more African Queen like part. Real leeches do it everytime. Of course, he'd probably have said "already been there, been sucked like that...."


Once you get past the notion of Boris Karloff running around shirtless and acting very strange, you can appreciate the offbeat nature of the casting. McDowall is miscast, of course -- too whiny and weak (though the screenplay, admittedly, doesn't do him any favors). Maybe a young Laurence Harvey as Marlow?
Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:11am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:57am) *

IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, yes, indeed. . The photo is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name? huh.gif ohmy.gif Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D) with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since his photo ended up being a contribution of a Shank sock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=325740364

Allstarecho left WP just in time to avoid the banhammer (he now edits as an IP and sticks to articles about what I assume is his alma mater's sports teams). He had some serious COI issues on [[Equality Mississippi]], an organisation that he founded. Allstarecho was topic banned from [[Matt Sanchez]] articles (and socks). He pushed the limits of this topic ban to the point that he was facing a full ban.

Coincidentally, Matt Sanchez appeared in gay porn as Pierre La Branche and Rod Majors. There are several portraits of him on Commons by none other than David Shankbone. I believe Benjiboi was also under some kind of topic ban related to Sanchez, but I may be wrong.

Factual clarification: JzG had topic banned Benjiboi and Eleemosynary at an AE thread I initiated. Eleemosynary imploded shortly afterward with the curious conjunction of Swatjester, JzG, and me all asking him to return from the brink (how often do the three of us agree on anything?) Eleemosynary was an easy call; Benjiboi less so. He tried several appeals until, months back, I extended an unsolicited offer to appeal that topic ban for him. He accepted, ArbCom agreed. Of course that was before several other issues arose. One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.

But fwiw, there are certain disputes on WP where it's an advantage to be female and straight. Less mud to be slung.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:13pm) *

One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.


Foolish, of course.
Milton Roe
QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"


Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.
Heat
What gets me are the SlimVirgin's contributions to the debate which directly contradict her "guilty by suspicion" and "alternate accounts are always sock" positions she's taken in the past.

QUOTE

Tznkai, could you please post the diffs here that are clear violations of SOCK so that we can see exactly which posts triggered your block? SlimVirgin 04:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


QUOTE
I'm aware of that page, but I'm not seeing the violations of SOCK. I'm sorry if I'm being dense, but can someone please post the diffs here? For a six-month block, there should be multiple diffs showing unambiguous violations of the policy, and that's what I'm not seeing. SlimVirgin 04:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


my favourite
QUOTE
Bear in mind that he had stopped editing with User:David Shankbone on or around October 30. That account was created after that. Are you arguing that any account not called "David Shankbone" that edits material related to his work—even when it's obvious it's him and even after he stopped using the Shankbone account—is a violation of SOCK? SlimVirgin 04:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


QUOTE
Thanks, Hesperian. These are from 2007 and 2008. The last two edits show A Knavish Bonded adding David's photographs to Chihauhau. First, are we blocking him for six months for two edits made 18 months ago? Secondly, were these really SOCK violations? It was obvious that Knavish was him. It's an anagram of his name, I believe. It edited PETA, Chihauhau, David's images, and some porn articles, all David's areas. Was this a SOCK or an alternate account? SlimVirgin 05:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


So who wants to start posting instances of SV saying the precise opposite about people she didn't like who have been branded sockpuppets or better yet, people she branded as socks for doing the exact same thing that she's saying is not sockpuppetry now (eg "leaving" wikipedia but continuing editing with a series of throw away accounts; use of alternate accounts; digging up evidence from more than a year ago in order to justify banning someone etc)?

Cla68
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 1st December 2009, 10:13pm) *

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Tue 1st December 2009, 5:11am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 4:57am) *

IMournRuthPointer (T-C-L-K-R-D) 's only edit was to add a porn photo illustrating other things a fluffer in a gay porn photo does. Like hand off lubricants to men in the middle of something, who can't get up easily. Oh, yes, indeed. . The photo is Lucas Entertainment. Where have we heard this name? huh.gif ohmy.gif Uploaded by one Allstarecho (T-C-L-K-R-D) with the entertaining justification: "Source=Has been on my computer for a while, forget original source". So who is user:Allstarecho, eh? Inquiring minds want to know since his photo ended up being a contribution of a Shank sock.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=325740364

Allstarecho left WP just in time to avoid the banhammer (he now edits as an IP and sticks to articles about what I assume is his alma mater's sports teams). He had some serious COI issues on [[Equality Mississippi]], an organisation that he founded. Allstarecho was topic banned from [[Matt Sanchez]] articles (and socks). He pushed the limits of this topic ban to the point that he was facing a full ban.

Coincidentally, Matt Sanchez appeared in gay porn as Pierre La Branche and Rod Majors. There are several portraits of him on Commons by none other than David Shankbone. I believe Benjiboi was also under some kind of topic ban related to Sanchez, but I may be wrong.

Factual clarification: JzG had topic banned Benjiboi and Eleemosynary at an AE thread I initiated. Eleemosynary imploded shortly afterward with the curious conjunction of Swatjester, JzG, and me all asking him to return from the brink (how often do the three of us agree on anything?) Eleemosynary was an easy call; Benjiboi less so. He tried several appeals until, months back, I extended an unsolicited offer to appeal that topic ban for him. He accepted, ArbCom agreed. Of course that was before several other issues arose. One either looks magnanimous or foolish for supporting an appeal. You make the call.

But fwiw, there are certain disputes on WP where it's an advantage to be female and straight. Less mud to be slung.


From what I'm seeing so far in this episode, there are still certain articles that Benjiboi needs to be told to stay away from.
Cock-up-over-conspiracy
QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Tue 1st December 2009, 2:41pm) *
What made me really notice him was the disgraceful Israel bias. Sticking the picture of a Palestinian kid with a toy gun into an article was just blatant.

Edit: Then again, I had a theory DS had a connection with Essjay for a while and that was what all the "protection" was about ...

You mean, he knows more than he has said ... and so he was being protected, to stop him making a queen-sized drama?

Allow me to state an obvious theory ... and anyone would be dumb not to consider it ... Jimbo et all were hanging out for big Jewish American money and Shankbone's 'usefulness' to the Israeli Conslutate [sic] in New York was good in.

Of course, David Shankbone was a lot less useful than he could have been IF he had kept his head screwed on. We are surely left having to consider that David Saranga's, Israel's man, prejudices must have blinded by the Fire Island / Michael Lucas hard core gay porn connection.

I mean, if "Israel" was spending money, and had really wanted to achieve something on the Pornopee-dia, practically ANY contributor could have contributed better photographs. They could have easily gotten a pro level photographer. So what are we to make of all that?

I don't suspect Wales et al has any racial, religious or political bias ... but I could imagine a money interest. It is all fairly slimy really ...

Why did the 'ethical review' of all this have to take all the energy it has done to achieve, and
Why did the emphasis come from over here ... and
for what?

A token and meaningless tap on the wrist of his cyber ego!?!

Personally, I think you missed some of the other socks we referred to on the Benjiboi and other threads. It all speak of disrespect for the project and others.
Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm) *

QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"


Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.


His Majesty is offering a $50 donation to Wikipedia Review. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again. wink.gif
Cla68
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 12:34am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm) *

QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"


Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.


His Majesty is offering a $50 donation to Wikipedia Review. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again. wink.gif


Unfortunately, he still refuses to admit that he did anything wrong.
Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 9th December 2009, 1:18am) *

QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 12:34am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 1st December 2009, 11:28pm) *

QUOTE
We can run Checkusers to verify all this, but that's not necessary, is it Greg? This certainly isn't the way to win my love. --David Shankbone 05:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)"


Is that the royal "we", or the "I've got admin friends who know checkusers "we"?

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

In light of subsequent events, either usage from Shankbone is pretty funny.


His Majesty is offering a $50 donation to Wikipedia Review. Quick, grab the diff and the cash before he shifts ground again. wink.gif


Unfortunately, he still refuses to admit that he did anything wrong.

Well yeah, but at least he's offering cash. Am not sure why... (shrug).
Somey
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Tue 8th December 2009, 10:36pm) *
Well yeah, but at least he's offering cash. Am not sure why... (shrug).

Cash is always easier than an apology, or admitting that you did something hurtful... Cash is also supposed to be good for shutting people up.

I probably shouldn't push everyone's collective luck by saying such things, of course... dry.gif
thekohser
Let's be very clear. What Shankbone promised was a $50 check TO ME (or my film director doppelganger), which then may be contributed to WR, or wherever, if he ever contributed again to any Wikimedia project.

He then edited again in the same thread, which he then characterized as not "making a contribution". I guess he means article space and/or those valuable images of his.

Whatever. Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking for either the $50 (which will likely get split between ProCon.org, WR, and the Internet Review Corporation, if I am truly the executor of that gift) or a very clear definition of what he considers "making a contribution".

(I firmly expect he'll create or has already created another sock or two from a pristine IP address, and one day in the future we'll see edits to Michael Lucas or Israeli tourism related topics, and Lar and Alison will either remember or neglect to remember to Checkuser that "new" editor, and Shankbone will be back in business before March Madness tips off.

It's just the nature of obsessive-compulsive personalities. I know them well.
Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:06pm) *

Let's be very clear. What Shankbone promised was a $50 check TO ME (or my film director doppelganger), which then may be contributed to WR, or wherever, if he ever contributed again to any Wikimedia project.

He then edited again in the same thread, which he then characterized as not "making a contribution". I guess he means article space and/or those valuable images of his.

Whatever. Maybe I'll send him an e-mail asking for either the $50 (which will likely get split between ProCon.org, WR, and the Internet Review Corporation, if I am truly the executor of that gift) or a very clear definition of what he considers "making a contribution".

Fair enough. From an initial reading it looked like he wanted to donate to WR but didn't know how to do it. Which was why a referral to mgt. seemed appropriate. Still not sure what he intended at the end, although the ambiguous notion of "contribution" (images to Commons? Cash to Greg or WR?) has become contingent upon me ceasing something I don't think I've ever done to him. An excuse to vanish with the cash in a cloud of FUD?

At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm) *

At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.


Check out the Crisco discussion elsewhere on WR -- something besides the eye is being opened there! wtf.gif
thekohser
QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm) *

Still not sure what he intended at the end


He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".

This doesn't seem unclear or vague to me in any way. Maybe I just "read" Shankbone better than you, Durova.
Wiki Witch of the West
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:42pm) *

QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm) *

At any rate, the last few weeks have been a real eye opener.


Check out the Crisco discussion elsewhere on WR -- something besides the eye is being opened there! wtf.gif

Strangely enough, content work for the MILHIST project is distinctly more interesting...
Random832
QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:43pm) *

QUOTE(Wiki Witch of the West @ Wed 9th December 2009, 3:36pm) *

Still not sure what he intended at the end


He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".


Or alternately it's meant to make us believe he's serious about holding himself to it.
carbuncle
QUOTE(Random832 @ Wed 9th December 2009, 9:26pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 9th December 2009, 8:43pm) *

He's making a public declaration that he truly intends never to contribute to Wikimedia projects again, and to hold himself to it, his "consequence" for failure is to do the one thing worse to him than the proverbial "eat my hat" -- it's "send Kohs money".


Or alternately it's meant to make us believe he's serious about holding himself to it.

I may be way off base here, but I tend to think that the [[David Shankbone]] article appeared as Shankbone himself was already preparing to move on. I don't think that his withdrawal from WP was the result of the article being deleted, but it accelerated the pace. I'm sure there would have been a small amount of activity maintaining and polishing his bio, but I think he was already winding down.

Perhaps he was aware that the tide was finally turning against him and he wanted to get that bio up while he still could. He was a bit too late. Between the editors who had grown tired of his antics and those who were concerned that it would become a target, he couldn't keep it up. Add to this the increased scrutiny his edits were receiving because of the bio and it was just time to call it a day.

He has said that things are going well for him in his real life right now, so hopefully he will be able to make a permanent break from WP and not keep coming back to snipe at his foes with sockpuppets. But getting Shankbone to give WR $50 is about as likely as ... well ... nevermind, I was going to something about Daniel Brandt taking down Hivemind, but you can make your own joke here involving some combination of horses, Crisco, Ron Livingston, and a fictional casting director...
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