Also some helpful information about wiki...see 990 irs form...

Wiki 990 form - some useful info.

Why can't you serve a postal address? Just send it with a signature by USPS, or signature FEDEX, and then you have proof they got it. Done. What about the 2nd Avenue North Address? I recall someone salying their po box was around their office, so that sounds ok.

"(b) If the address provided for the registered agent, officer, director, or principal place of business is a residence or private mailbox, service on the corporation may be made by serving the registered agent, officer or director in accordance with s. 48.031."

48.031 Service of process generally; service of witness subpoenas.--

(1)(a) Service of original process is made by delivering a copy of it to the person to be served with a copy of the complaint, petition, or other initial pleading or paper or by leaving the copies at his or her usual place of abode with any person residing therein who is 15 years of age or older and informing the person of their contents. Minors who are or have been married shall be served as provided in this section.

(b) Employers, when contacted by an individual authorized to make service of process, shall permit the authorized individual to make service on employees in a private area designated by the employer.

(2)(a) Substitute service may be made on the spouse of the person to be served at any place in the county, if the cause of action is not an adversary proceeding between the spouse and the person to be served, if the spouse requests such service, and if the spouse and person to be served are residing together in the same dwelling.

(b) Substitute service may be made on an individual doing business as a sole proprietorship at his or her place of business, during regular business hours, by serving the person in charge of the business at the time of service if two or more attempts to serve the owner have been made at the place of business.

(3)(a) The service of process of witness subpoenas, whether in criminal cases or civil actions, shall be made as provided in subsection (1). However, service of a third degree felony may be made by United States mail directed to the witness at the last known address, and the service must be mailed at least 7 days prior to the date of the witness's required appearance. Failure of a witness to appear in response to a subpoena served by United States mail that is not certified may not be grounds for finding the witness in contempt of court.

(b) A criminal witness subpoena may be posted by a person authorized to serve process at the witness's residence if three attempts to serve the subpoena, made at different times of the day or night on different dates, have failed. The subpoena must be posted at least 5 days prior to the date of the witness's required appearance.

(4)(a) Service of a criminal witness subpoena upon a law enforcement officer or upon any federal, state, or municipal employee called to testify in an official capacity in a criminal case may be made as provided in subsection (1) or by delivery to a designated supervisory or administrative employee at the witness's place of employment if the agency head or highest ranking official at the witness's place of employment has designated such employee to accept such service. However, no such designated employee is required to accept service:

1. For a witness who is no longer employed by the agency at that place of employment;

2. If the witness is not scheduled to work prior to the date the witness is required to appear; or

3. If the appearance date is less than 5 days from the date of service.

The agency head or highest ranking official at the witness's place of employment may determine the days of the week and the hours that service may be made at the witness's place of employment.

(b) Service may also be made in accordance with subsection (3) provided that the person who requests the issuance of the criminal witness subpoena shall be responsible for mailing the subpoena in accordance with that subsection and for making the proper return of service to the court.

(5) A person serving process shall place, on the copy served, the date and time of service and his or her identification number and initials for all service of process.

(6) If the only address for a person to be served, which is discoverable through public records, is a private mailbox, substitute service may be made by leaving a copy of the process with the person in charge of the private mailbox, but only if the process server determines that the person to be served maintains a mailbox at that location.

History.--s. 5, Nov. 23, 1828; RS 1015; GS 1402; RGS 2599; CGL 4246; s. 6, ch. 29737, 1955; s. 4, ch. 67-254; s. 1, ch. 75-34; s. 3, ch. 79-396; s. 3, ch. 82-118; s. 1, ch. 84-339; s. 7, ch. 85-80; s. 2, ch. 87-405; s. 6, ch. 93-208; s. 269, ch. 95-147; s. 1, ch. 95-172; s. 1, ch. 98-410; s. 1, ch. 2004-273.
Note.--Former s. 47.13.

The only useful info in there is Florence Devouard's address (and what is AE? overseas? Where is France in there), and the address of their paid acountant, who apparently has either an office or a drop box down the street on 2nd avenue from their other two addresses.

Why can't you serve a postal address? Just send it with a signature by USPS, or signature FEDEX, and then you have proof they got it. Done. What about the 2nd Avenue North Address? I recall someone salying their po box was around their office, so that sounds ok.

That's definitely her address in France...You could probably serve Kat Walsh and it would be binding on the foundation....

"(2) If a foreign corporation has none of the foregoing officers or agents in this state, service may be made on any agent transacting business for it in this state."

I feel like a teaching assistant in Real World 101.

What if they pick up their mail at the UPS drop box only once every 12 months? What if the go-fer who picks it up is instructed not to accept anything that requires a signature? How long should you wait before deciding on Plan B, which is to send it to Mr. Godwin? At least if Mr. Godwin starts playing games (which he probably wouldn't do), you're already in the Big League of Fun and Games, instead of sitting around waiting, month after month, for a Return Receipt that will never arrive.

Does the drop box require a picture ID when signing a return receipt, or can the go-fer just sign it, "Thanks idiots — Yours truly, Jayjg"?

Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
P.O. Box 919227
Orlando, FL 32891-9227
United States

see statue 48.081 Service on corporation, Section (2)



In this case the lowly person that cashes the checks for wiki see my other posting regarding the 5 dollar check is qualified to receive lawful service, as an acting agent for the lovely Florenace Devouard.... Also, if she should "visit" the "states" and talk. All the process serve has to do
is to roll in in a ball and toss it to her on stage or dump in her lap for lawful service.






Some more tradecarft....

Send the Wikifoundation a check for a 5 dollars to this address...


When the check clears, you will have an address stamped on
back of the check with the name of the wiki treasurer and
thats the target for a good, lawful summons. per Florida statues...

subsection

" 2. In the absence of any person described in paragraph (a), on the cashier, treasurer, secretary, or general manager;"

I could see filing papers to cease and desist publishing false and defamatory content, etc.

But I can't see filing a suit to recover damages. WMF doesn't have enough money in the bank to run their operation for another year.

USPS certified return receipt requested to the registered agent is sufficient for service Fla.R.Civ.P. 1.070(i)(2)(a) page 18 of the pdf document. If they won't sign for it that will be sufficient cause for a trial court to grant substitute service (usually ordinary mail and posting at the courthouse.) If they then default, good. Yeah, its a pretty mickey mouse way of conducting business.

By the way, I heard Godwin is currently in San Francisco. Is the new office already set up there, or is he just helping Jimbo load servers on a truck for Wikia?

YOU are wrong, they have assets worth millions.... the Wikipedia.org domain and trademarks as well as computer equipment servers etc.

That's what you get your judgment from, from the force sale thereof.

The whole purpose of having a registered agent is to accept legal process on behalf of a corporation. That's exactly what they're there to do, and they're supposed to be there during normal business hours.

And I can tell you that the current address is new. I think it used to be 200 2nd Avenue S. #358, which seems to be a PO Box. They may have changed it precisely because that Florida Attorney Daniel was talking about got them in trouble for not having a legitimate Registered Agent. Or maybe they changed it because they're moving.

By the way, I heard Godwin is currently in San Francisco. Is the new office already set up there, or is he just helping Jimbo load servers on a truck for Wikia?

1) Process against any private corporation, domestic or foreign, may be served:

(a) On the president or vice president, or other head of the corporation;

(b) In the absence of any person described in paragraph (a), on the cashier, treasurer, secretary, or general manager;

© In the absence of any person described in paragraph (a) or paragraph (b), on any director; or

(d) In the absence of any person described in paragraph (a), paragraph (b), or paragraph ©, on any officer or business agent residing in the state.

(2) If a foreign corporation has none of the foregoing officers or agents in this state, service may be made on any agent transacting business for it in this state.

(3)(a) As an alternative to all of the foregoing, process may be served on the agent designated by the corporation under s. 48.091. However, if service cannot be made on a registered agent because of failure to comply with s. 48.091, service of process shall be permitted on any employee at the corporation's principal place of business or on any employee of the registered agent.

(b) If the address provided for the registered agent, officer, director, or principal place of business is a residence or private mailbox, service on the corporation may be made by serving the registered agent, officer or director in accordance with s. 48.031.

(4) This section does not apply to service of process on insurance companies.

(5) When a corporation engages in substantial and not isolated activities within this state, or has a business office within the state and is actually engaged in the transaction of business therefrom, service upon any officer or business agent while on corporate business within this state may personally be made, pursuant to this section, and it is not necessary in such case that the action, suit, or proceeding against the corporation shall have arisen out of any transaction or operation connected with or incidental to the business being transacted within the state.

UPDATE: the registered agent changed 12/13/2005. Was that before or after your run-in with that attorney, Daniel?

Having a registered agent is 100% normal

(1) Each corporation shall have and continuously maintain in this state: ( A registered agent, who may be either: 1. An individual who resides in this state whose business office is identical with such registered office; 2. Another corporation or not-for-profit corporation as defined in chapter 617, authorized to transact business or conduct its affairs in this state, having a business office identical with the registered office; or 3. A foreign corporation or not-for-profit foreign corporation authorized pursuant to this chapter or chapter 617 to transact business or conduct its affairs in this state, having a business office identical with the registered office.

Getting their domain name or trademark is like Verizon getting MCI's domain name and trademark. They are a liability, not an asset.

And any computer gear would be worn out or obsolete by the time any suit comes to fruition.

I heard from that attorney on July 27, 2007.

Not only is it normal, it's a legal requirement. Florida Statutes 607.0501(:

Lawsuits are soul-sucking undertakings. It's not worth the money.

The Rule of Law isn't worth the stele that Hammurabi wrote it on.

Do what you think is best, Joseph.

If you want to put your faith in the Rule of Law, who am I to deny you the ecstasy of your fervently held religious convictions?

Science and applied math.

Science and applied math.

Well, folks, if there's one place where money doesn't matter and where everybody sues everybody else , it's pop music;

Which is why I think that we should all be helping this case, since (if what I believe is true is true) money is no object here, but revenge is everything....

John Locke?

Was he also a proponent of Neuro-Mathematical Systems Theology, too?

Well, folks, if there's one place where money doesn't matter and where everybody sues everybody else , it's pop music.

In regards to suing individual editors, is it any coincidence that Checkuser expires in 30 days?

Gee, I wonder how long a supoena would take to clear?

And actually, "outing" the proper street address of the WMF office would be a valuable service in case someone wanted to file suit. There is no right to privacy of physical locations in business, nor the expectation of the same.

This should be a new top priority project.

Willful destruction of evidence is a crime and Jimbo and company could be charged with
contempt if unable to produce evidence required in a lawful motion of discovery.

In regards to suing individual editors, is it any coincidence that Checkuser expires in 30 days?
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If checkuser expires, then they re in contravention of French law that requires them (as a so-called ISP) to keep one year's worth of records to qualify to meet French Law on Everyday Security (LSQ) which was rushed through parliament on 15 November 2001 with virtually no discussion and approved almost unanimously, extended to a year the minimum period ISPs must keep a record of their customers’ Internet activity and e-mail messages.

Nevertheless, this cannot be anymore considered as good news since we don’t know what are exactly how the “traffic data”, the “identification data”, and the “communication data” are defined. These data should not reveal the content of communication, be it e-mail content or the content of the visited web site. The penalty for ISPs who don’t comply whit these provisions are high : one year jail and 75,000 Euros fine.(link discussing "loi sur la sécurité quotidienne" (LSQ,) 2001)

Checkuser most certainly does expire after either 30 or 31 days, and always has. It's the worst-kept secret out there. Does this French law apply to the WMF?

Beef. It's what's for dinner.

That address in San Mateo belongs to the Porterhouse Restaurant.

What is it with Jimbo and restaurants that serve cuts of beef?

Checkuser data is explicitly only stored "for a short time", which would seem to preclude the time being a full year. However, it seems odd that checkuser data would expire over the exact same timespan as the login cookies, and checkusers may very well be pushing misleading information to help them function better.

If your registered agent is in, say, Delaware (quite common - I believe Wikia's is there), and you're in California or Florida or DC, that really just adds an extra layer of liability protection to your organization, because any legal decision against you is going to have to go through a lot of extra inter-state bureaucracy before it results in any kind of forfeiture of assets. And you have to assume that the registered agent will be located in whatever state provides the most friendly venue for a liability case.

Damages of one-fifteen-hundredth of annual sales, for dissolving a man with acid. That's why companies headquarter in Delaware.

Beef. It's what's for dinner.

That address in San Mateo belongs to the Porterhouse Restaurant.

What is it with Jimbo and restaurants that serve cuts of beef?

Page 6, para 1: mentions this law (law of June 21 2004, article 6.1.8), where the judicial decision asserts that Wikimedia can produce the IP addresses of anyone that edits Wikipedia for one year after they do. Wikipedia reassured the court of this, and it is in the judgement. I don't think this is correct. Again - can someone tell me if Wikimedia keeps checkuser accessability for all logins (not just IPs) for one year? If not, they fibbed. This is important - or will be.

It's perfectly possible that both are true - that checkuser only lasts 30 or 31 days but the raw server logs are kept for one year.

Of course, that means they lie in their privacy policy, which says that server logs are "normally discarded after about two weeks".

I simply do not understand the purpose of restoring the history of the article. Keeping it as a redirect to Public Information Research is a rational decision, even if some disagree, and was the decision at Wikipedia:DRV#9_December_2007. However what is the purpose of restoring all the article history? That perpetuates the problematic material that was the subject of the June AfD and DRV that resulted in the merge in the first place. GFDL? Redirects don't need a complicated history for GFDL purposes. Joshua also cites Previous breaks many links to by people linking to difs of this article in the archive and makes it hard to find. Well, shit, every deletion breaks a link somewhere, let's never delete anything! If someone has a link to Daniel Brandt and we have chosen to delete it (for whatever reason) then the link should be broken. This latest restoration is completely unexplicable to me.

Okay, so "it's not clear what will happen" turns out to mean "everyone so far has agreed that the history shouldn't be there". I suspect some, at least, have seen the threat to make this forum indexed...